More Than Zero: Transforming Your Spirituality
More Than Zero: Transforming Your Spirituality delves into the importance of actively cultivating your spiritual life through the concept of "more than zero." The hosts emphasize that even minimal efforts can lead to significant spiritual growth, challenging listeners to take small, consistent actions rather than expecting grand gestures. They discuss the idea that spirituality is not confined to elaborate rituals or lengthy practices; even a moment of mindfulness or a brief prayer can make a meaningful impact. By sharing personal stories and insights, they encourage embracing the journey of spirituality without the pressure of perfection. This conversation invites you to reflect on your own spiritual practices and consider how small changes can lead to profound transformation.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the person who points out how the strong individual stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the one who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; . . . who at best knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if they fail, at least fails while daring greatly." ~ Theodore Roosevelt
Takeaways:
- Transforming your spirituality requires taking action, even if it's just one small step.
- Engaging in spiritual practices, even briefly, can significantly enhance your spiritual growth.
- Understanding that life without God is meaningless emphasizes the importance of spiritual direction.
- Every connection, whether with God or loved ones, counts, no matter how brief.
- Being open to new perspectives and experiences can lead to profound spiritual revelations.
- Committing to a more than zero approach in spirituality encourages consistent engagement and growth.
Transcript
I got hands, I got feet, I got a body.
Speaker A:Use it.
Speaker A:If you're not using it, your truth is meaningless.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:And that's part of exactly more than zero.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But, you know, you brought up a good point.
Speaker B:We might get to there, but we're going to let you guys chew on this.
Speaker B:If you didn't catch it, a negative number might be more than zero.
Speaker A:Interesting story time.
Speaker B:Tell your story, man.
Speaker C:Story time.
Speaker B:Because this is worse.
Speaker B:This is it.
Speaker C:I want to encourage everybody, first of all, to.
Speaker D:That's a taste of more than zero.
Speaker D:Transforming your spirituality.
Speaker D:This week's episode of the Wise Guys, a podcast that unleashes the unthinkable in culture, religion, business, and everyday life.
Speaker D:This week, the guys use one of their favorite sayings and apply it to maturing your spirituality.
Speaker D:So it's time to step over the line, strap in and see if you are willing to let Mac, the Reverend and Coach Stu take you to a place of thinking differently.
Speaker B:Welcome to the Wise Guys, a podcast where we unleash the unthinkable.
Speaker B:Step over the line to help us see things differently and go to the inside edge and stimulate new thinking.
Speaker B:Oh, that's a concept.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So here we are.
Speaker B:I'm back.
Speaker B:Your host and man in this episode.
Speaker B:This takes us way back, so we're gonna have so much fun with this episode.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We've been looking forward to it for.
Speaker B:Well, decided to do the podcast almost.
Speaker B:So we're going to talk about how thinking differently requires a more than zero approach.
Speaker B:And we've.
Speaker B:We just spent the last hour just having so much fun with this whole thing kicking it around.
Speaker B:So you're going to forgive us if you just better strap in tonight, guys.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Don't you think?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Because we've been doing it.
Speaker B:So welcome, my wise guys.
Speaker B:Here we are, Coach Stu.
Speaker C:Hey, Mac.
Speaker C:Hey, Mac.
Speaker C:This is my favorite topic of all time.
Speaker C:This is going to turn to a book, a sermon series, probably a song.
Speaker C:Maybe the rebel rev will write a song for us.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But the question is a movie when?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I've been waiting for the book because since I've known you guys, this topic has put a smile on your face.
Speaker C:I love this.
Speaker C:I love this.
Speaker B:But the Rev is in the house, too, man.
Speaker A:I'm in the house, too.
Speaker A:I got a smile on my face.
Speaker A:I missed you guys last week.
Speaker A:It's good to be home.
Speaker C:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:Yeah, we did.
Speaker B:We had to take a little break last week, so.
Speaker C:Hey, let me say hello to everybody.
Speaker C:Because we.
Speaker C:I didn't.
Speaker C:I didn't get.
Speaker C:I did get a chance to last week, but that was maybe a couple years ago.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That I was saying hello.
Speaker C:So hello to all you beautiful, exotic cocktails out there, huh?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C: This is live in: Speaker B:Here we are.
Speaker B:We're glad to have you.
Speaker B:And yeah, again, we're just gonna.
Speaker B:We're gonna have some fun with this, folks.
Speaker B:So we hope you're gonna.
Speaker B:You hope you're gonna get something out of it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But we're sure gonna have a good time doing it, so hopefully you'll catch on.
Speaker B:So with that, of course, it's time for Words to the Wise.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And again, if you haven't been listening to us, we'll give you the gist of this.
Speaker B:The words to the wise come from church signs.
Speaker B:And you see these all the time out there.
Speaker B:We get a big chuckle out of them.
Speaker B:And we'll pick one each week, just flesh it out a little bit, give our opinion on it, and then we vote.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And we go from minus three to plus three.
Speaker B:And some of us won't go to the edges, but that's okay.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Hello, Stu.
Speaker C:Yeah, hello.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So here we go.
Speaker B:This week's Words to the Wise from a church sign.
Speaker B:And here's what it says.
Speaker B:Life without God is like an under sharpened pencil.
Speaker B:No point.
Speaker B:Ah.
Speaker B:This is a little bit of.
Speaker B:This one took a little bit of pondering here.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:This thing.
Speaker B:So who's going to start?
Speaker B:Come on, who's going to start this?
Speaker C:I went around and around.
Speaker C:Go ahead, Rev.
Speaker A:I go round and around and around because, you know, I tend to overthink things.
Speaker A:But I want to know what the definition of God is from the person who put these letters on that side.
Speaker A:So it could be a complete negative three or a complete positive three.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So maybe I'll just for the sake of our talk tonight, I'll stay on zero until I hear your points.
Speaker B:Ah, okay.
Speaker B:All right, Stu, what are you thinking about?
Speaker C:So I was thinking.
Speaker C:So I broke it down, like the unsharpened pencil part and then the no point part.
Speaker C:And obviously an unsharpened pencil, you know, you can't write with it, right.
Speaker C:So it's kind of.
Speaker C:It's not really fulfilling.
Speaker C:Its purpose is kind of the metaphor, I guess.
Speaker C:So it kind of symbolizes life that lacks direction, meaning, or purpose.
Speaker C:Like if God is not in it.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And so I was thinking, does.
Speaker C:If God is not in your life, does it.
Speaker C:Does your life lack purpose or significance?
Speaker B:Does it not have a point.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So for me, it's a yes.
Speaker C:But I.
Speaker C:Because God's important in my life for me.
Speaker C:But I was thinking, by your definition, right.
Speaker A:I know some atheists.
Speaker C:Well, this is what I was.
Speaker A:Wonderful.
Speaker C:This is where I was going.
Speaker C:I have friends that don't believe in God.
Speaker C:I'm thinking, I know them, and their life definitely has purpose and meaning.
Speaker C:So I was kind of like going it back and forth on this one.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:You know, so.
Speaker C:So the only way I can even give this one a number by doing that is to give it a zero.
Speaker B:I knew that.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I mean, no, no.
Speaker B:This episode is about more than zero.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker B:It's more.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker B:I get it.
Speaker B:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:That is.
Speaker A:What if you replace the word God with a different word there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, by my definition, I'm put.
Speaker A:Life without love is like an unsharpened pencil.
Speaker A:There's no purpose or point to it at all now.
Speaker A:Now it's a total positive three.
Speaker A:But I got to know what your definition of God is.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:You know, is it the spiritual being that's showing up as your spirit and your soul, or is it this entity that is punishing or blessing out in the sky?
Speaker A:It's very different.
Speaker A:Definition really determines how that reads.
Speaker C:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe you're overthinking.
Speaker A:What are you going to give it, man?
Speaker A:We haven't heard your point yet.
Speaker B:So for me, I get where I take exception.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah, very funny.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:I take exception to any type of perspective that would declare an absolute, that it has no point.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I just, you know, whether it's God, whether it's Netflix, whether it's enough money in a bank account, whether it doesn't matter.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:To make a statement like this, to me, it just proclaims an absoluteness that.
Speaker B:I know exactly what they're trying to say, and I just don't think that that's part of the equation.
Speaker B:I don't think the world works that way.
Speaker B:To declare there is no point if a.
Speaker B:You know, fill in a blank for a.
Speaker B:So to me, I gotta give it at least a minus two.
Speaker B:I mean, I go all the way to three, but I, you know, I just can't buy into the.
Speaker B:The overall concept that it says to.
Speaker A:Me, does every life have meaning?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Every life has purpose.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Reason for being, with or without the idea of.
Speaker B:The idea of.
Speaker B:Right, right, right.
Speaker B:You can get all, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You can get to the mystical side of that whole thing.
Speaker B:So did you ever give it a number, Grev?
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm gonna be back and forth.
Speaker A:You can call me Mr.
Speaker A:Waffle tonight, you know, because I.
Speaker A:I gotta know.
Speaker A:I want to know the guy who put it up there.
Speaker A:I want to know what you're saying.
Speaker A:And until I know who.
Speaker A:What he's intentionally.
Speaker A:I'm not going to judge him.
Speaker A:So I'll stay at zero and say I'm open.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:So the Rev and I both a zero.
Speaker B:Not gonna line up on the.
Speaker C:On the episode called More Than zero.
Speaker A:Is negative two more than zero?
Speaker A:You gave it a negative two.
Speaker A:Is that more than zero?
Speaker C:Ah, interesting.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Now, the concept of it is.
Speaker B:Give me a headache now already.
Speaker B:We haven't even started.
Speaker B:All right, so that's fun kind of stuff.
Speaker B:All right, There we go.
Speaker B:That's our words to the wise.
Speaker B:So here we go.
Speaker B:We're going to kind of set this thing up, and I'm going to use a quot from one of my favorite guys, right?
Speaker B:And I think this helps kind of set this up.
Speaker B:And then maybe I'm.
Speaker B:Gonna.
Speaker B:Then I'm gonna let Stu kind of tell a little story to where this whole idea of more than zero for us.
Speaker B:You might have heard it somewhere else and all that, and it's not like we invented it, but.
Speaker C:But maybe we did.
Speaker B:We kind of did.
Speaker B:I mean, it kind of kind of happened for us anyway, you know?
Speaker B:So here's the setup, all right?
Speaker B:And this is a quote.
Speaker B:It is not the critic who counts, not the person who points out how the strong individual stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
Speaker B:The credit belongs to the one who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who at best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if they fail, at least fails while daring greatly.
Speaker B:That's a Teddy Roosevelt quote, so that's a good one.
Speaker B:You know, again, the more than zero takes us to a place, hopefully, of daring greatly in whatever avenue that might flesh itself out.
Speaker B:And we're going to give lots of examples tonight and talk about.
Speaker B:But again, I love the fact that I think a more than zero approach to anything.
Speaker B:Let's just call it life, then fill in a blank, you know, gets you to a place where you're going to dare greatly.
Speaker B:And I just love it.
Speaker A:So failure is more than zero, Better than zero?
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker A:Life is a living example of that.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And so, yeah, so so you know me, Rev.
Speaker C:Like, I've been accused of having toxic positivity is what I've been told.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Nothing toxic about it.
Speaker C:So I look at failure as just being learning for me.
Speaker C:So for me, like, failure isn't failure.
Speaker C:In my mind, I'm just.
Speaker C:I'm learning something, you know, I know, I know people can define it and they can debate me about whether it's a failure or not, but I don't know, I just see it different.
Speaker A:Richard Rohr's book Falling Forward.
Speaker A:God, I love that book.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's great.
Speaker A:Go ahead and fail.
Speaker A:Fall on your face and then get back up and you're in a different place because you went forward.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You fall as forward as gracefully as you possibly can.
Speaker C:Well, this quote.
Speaker C:This is a great quote, Mac.
Speaker C:And this quote.
Speaker C:And the.
Speaker C:And our topic tonight, More Than Zero, is about, you know, stepping into the fray, taking risk, you know, and committing yourself to.
Speaker C:To taking action.
Speaker C:I mean, that's.
Speaker C:That's really what it's all about.
Speaker B:In the midst of it all.
Speaker C:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:So truth, you know, I teach this every week.
Speaker A:The truth that I know is the truth that I demonstrate.
Speaker A:It has to be demonstrated.
Speaker A:I got hands, I got feet, I got a body.
Speaker A:Use it.
Speaker A:If you're not using it, your truth is meaningless.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:When that's part of exactly.
Speaker B:More than zero.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Okay, but.
Speaker B:And it.
Speaker B:You know, you brought up a good point, and we might get to there, but we're going to let you guys chew on this.
Speaker B:If you didn' catch it, a negative number might be more than zero.
Speaker B:Just think about.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker B:Okay, we'll just let it.
Speaker B:We'll just let that set out there for the moment.
Speaker B:All right, Interesting.
Speaker A:Story time.
Speaker B:Tell your story, man.
Speaker C:Story time.
Speaker B:This is worse.
Speaker B:This is it.
Speaker C:I want to encourage everybody, first of all, to.
Speaker C:To hear people's stories because everybody has a story, right?
Speaker C:And you'll.
Speaker C:You'll learn a lot about them.
Speaker C:So here's my story, all right.
Speaker C:That's related to More Than Zero.
Speaker C:So Mac and I were in a.
Speaker C:In a group that.
Speaker C:And I was exploring and re.
Speaker C:Exploring, we'll call it My Faith, you know, and God.
Speaker C:And just kind of figuring out as an adult who God was in my life and how I was going to interact with.
Speaker C:With him.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:So we were having our weekly meetings, and I.
Speaker C:I remember I called Mac up, I said, hey, can you get together?
Speaker C:I got a question for you.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:So.
Speaker B:And we didn't know each other.
Speaker C:We did not know each other.
Speaker C:This is the beginning of the Mac Stu relationship.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:The very be of it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:This is when.
Speaker C:Whenever Mac would say anything to me, my brain would explode and hurt.
Speaker C:I'm past that point now.
Speaker C:I've built that.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:That muscle.
Speaker B:Muscles.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So anyway, so we.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We go out, we meet, and we're sitting there at.
Speaker C:At a bar somewhere.
Speaker C:Oh, Charlie's.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Having a beer.
Speaker C:Having a beer.
Speaker B:Having a meal.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:And so I said, all right, so tell me what.
Speaker C:What things do.
Speaker C:Be close to God.
Speaker C:To spend time with God.
Speaker C:To be connected to God.
Speaker C:Like how.
Speaker C:Like how.
Speaker C:Tell me what I gotta do.
Speaker C:Give me the bullet points.
Speaker C:Like, just tell me.
Speaker C:Like, whatever you tell me, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker C:Like, just.
Speaker C:Just tell me.
Speaker B:Well, the way I remember that was, all right, how much time do I have to spend on this God?
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:How much time do I need?
Speaker A:I've always known the coach, you know, since my brief time I've known you.
Speaker A:You're the A student.
Speaker A:You want to do it.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:And the best.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, you know, and growing up in.
Speaker C:In the Catholic Church, this is kind of how my brain was working at the time.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So, you know, right now I'm a recovering Catholic now, so.
Speaker C:But no offense to Catholics, I grew up as one.
Speaker B:But of course.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:So it.
Speaker C:Max sat there for a moment, and, like, in my mind, I was like, okay, if I had this list, like, this is this.
Speaker C:Now I know what I got to do every day.
Speaker B:He was waiting for 20 minutes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or whatever.
Speaker A:Pencil was sharpened.
Speaker A:And you were ready to.
Speaker C:I was ready to go.
Speaker C:I was ready to go.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So he.
Speaker C:He finally just says to me, more than zero.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And I remember sitting there for a moment and thinking.
Speaker C:And then I said, okay, so what does that mean?
Speaker C:Like, give me the bullet points.
Speaker C:You know, what's more than.
Speaker C:Yeah, I need the list.
Speaker C:And he's.
Speaker C:And he's.
Speaker C:He says more than zero.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:I must have fought it at least three or four times before coming off it.
Speaker C:Before I was like, okay, you got to explain what this means.
Speaker C:I have no idea what.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker C:What this means to me.
Speaker C:But I.
Speaker C:I wanted that.
Speaker C:I wanted that list because I knew I could.
Speaker C:I could do that.
Speaker C:And then I would be.
Speaker C:If I could have my list and do it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I would be connected to God and doing what God needs me to do.
Speaker C:That's kind of what my brain was.
Speaker B:Thinking, along with a time constraint.
Speaker B:I mean, I remember that very clearly that if I would have said to Stu, well, You know, why don't you start at 10 minutes, and then maybe you can work your way up to 15 and then maybe get to 20.
Speaker B:If you get to 29, you're going to be spiritual, right?
Speaker B:I mean, this is what I think.
Speaker A:It happens at 21 and 14.
Speaker C:7.
Speaker B:There it is.
Speaker B:Give me the number.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:This is all.
Speaker C:I was ready to do it.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker C:You were so more than zero.
Speaker C:I couldn't comprehend at the moment.
Speaker C:But I.
Speaker C:Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker C:I didn't get it then.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:Now I.
Speaker C:This is how I live.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker B:I mean, and that.
Speaker B:Keep in mind, that was just off the cuff, man.
Speaker B:I didn't.
Speaker B:You know, that's just what came to me.
Speaker B:It wasn't like I had it over here somewhere.
Speaker B:We were.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:I remember asking him later on, like, where'd you get that from?
Speaker C:Did you read it in a book?
Speaker C:And he's like, no, I just.
Speaker C:It just came to me.
Speaker A:Does the greatest wisdom come from those moments where you suspend.
Speaker A:I don't have a list.
Speaker A:I don't have a prescription.
Speaker A:The way you're supposed to do a God, the way you're supposed to do life.
Speaker A:Get rid of the lists, right?
Speaker A:Just do more than zero.
Speaker A:Comes from the ethers, comes from the divine download.
Speaker A:I think it's even better than the lists.
Speaker B:Well, here's what we're going to talk about tonight.
Speaker B:That's a great lead in, because how are you receptive to the downloads?
Speaker B:All right, if.
Speaker B:And we're going to get to the spiritual part here in a minute.
Speaker B:We're going to kind of frame this a little bit.
Speaker B:But if you aren't cultivating your spirituality, I'm going to leave it at that.
Speaker B:Right here, right now, because we're going to talk about it some more.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But if you're not actively pursuing and cultivating, then chances are that download, you're going to miss it.
Speaker B:Your antennas aren't up.
Speaker B:I mean, you're not even paying attention, you know?
Speaker B:And so then what do you do?
Speaker B:You go to look for.
Speaker B:Well, hang on a second.
Speaker B:I might have a Bible verse that can help you.
Speaker B:Oh, wait a minute.
Speaker B:I think I read something yesterday that I think might help.
Speaker B:I mean, now all of a sudden.
Speaker A:Finding God in 10 easy lessons, my thesis of how you're supposed to do it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:God has been blocked more by those kinds of documents than anything in the world.
Speaker B:So, you know, open it up here, gang.
Speaker B:This is what we're talking about.
Speaker B:You're gonna.
Speaker B:We're gonna try to encourage you to take your spirituality and make it more than zero.
Speaker B:And that might sound a little funky right now, but we're gonna.
Speaker B:We're gonna get to that.
Speaker C:Well, in that conversation that we had, Mac, we started to flesh this out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like you.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So I know we're going to get into.
Speaker C:Into this now, but we started to, you know, because I didn't understand it at the moment.
Speaker B:Well, I kind of didn't totally either.
Speaker B:But that's the cool part about it, right?
Speaker B:That when you're in this conversation, when you're backing and forth and you're wrestling or you're doing whatever you're doing, God's just smiling.
Speaker B:Go for it, gang.
Speaker B:Go for it, guys.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Make it happen.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:Don't punch him, don't punch him.
Speaker A:And the two of you guys didn't understand that you were living in the my come from.
Speaker A:What does it mean?
Speaker A:I don't know what it means.
Speaker A:It's become a part of your life Bible.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker A:Become the way you live life.
Speaker A:I've known you long enough to know more than zero is way more meaningful than it was when you were wrestling with it.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:And I love that this is the way it works.
Speaker B:All right, so.
Speaker B:And I'm sure you can, you know, what we're talking about here is I'm sure you out there, gang, you.
Speaker B:You've got, you know, examples and stuff that you've seen this in your own life.
Speaker B:It's not like it's exclusive to what we're doing by any means, okay?
Speaker B:We just want to see you do more of it.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's what.
Speaker B:That's our encouragement right there.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:All right, so more than zero.
Speaker B:I mean, we're going to just zip right through here.
Speaker B:Some of the common things that, you know, these.
Speaker B:This idea can be applied to, right?
Speaker B:So, you know, what do we got?
Speaker B:What do we got, guys?
Speaker B:Sports.
Speaker C:Sports.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, I'm going to comment on sports, of course.
Speaker C:Like, there's.
Speaker B:Of course.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, so here's an easy example, right?
Speaker C:You know, I talked to my wrestlers.
Speaker C:Okay, do I want you to do push ups every night?
Speaker C:And they say, well, how many?
Speaker C:I said, okay, 25.
Speaker C:Like, I can't do 25.
Speaker C:I said, how many can you do?
Speaker C:Like, I don't know.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:I'm like, it's got.
Speaker C:It has to be more than zero, right?
Speaker C:So if it's like, okay, one.
Speaker C:Okay, great.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:It's more than zero.
Speaker C:Do one.
Speaker C:The next time we talk, we'll, you know, we'll see if we can do more.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:You know, so, you know, in sports you can talk about, like, how much time am I spending in the gym?
Speaker C:Like, I show up, I'm here for five minutes.
Speaker C:Do you.
Speaker C:Should you feel guilty about that?
Speaker C:In my mind and in the more than zero philosophy.
Speaker C:No, you spent five minutes, that's fine.
Speaker C:Maybe the next day you spend an hour, you know, so it's, it's about not stopping.
Speaker C:To me, from a sports perspective, not stopping.
Speaker A:Physics.
Speaker A:Things in motion stay in motion.
Speaker A:People in motion stay in motion.
Speaker A:Just get moving, period.
Speaker A:Don't judge it.
Speaker A:Suspend the judgment that says, I should have done 10 push ups.
Speaker A:You did one.
Speaker A:You were in motion.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:That's progress.
Speaker B:Well, what is that?
Speaker B:God can't steer a park car.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:This is true all the time.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So this is common stuff.
Speaker B:You've heard it, gang.
Speaker B:I know you've heard it.
Speaker B:Whether it's with sports, whether it's with music revs.
Speaker A:That's my world.
Speaker B:That's your world.
Speaker A:A lot of piano students practice for three hours a day, just sit down at the piano and make music for five minutes.
Speaker A:Same thing.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:And you, everybody, you know, you guys are intelligent out there, you understand this stuff so that, you know, if you put in the effort, you're going to get better.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:I mean, you know, this isn't rocket science that we're talking about here.
Speaker A:Put it in relationships.
Speaker C:Well, I was just going to say one of the common perspectives is relationships.
Speaker C:This is where it impacted me the most because I don't live in the same state as my family.
Speaker C:And so when I would want to connect with them, I would always be thinking, okay, it's going to be like 30 minutes, an hour.
Speaker C:I'm like, I don't have time for that right now.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And when I was starting to.
Speaker C:To grasp this concept, I was like, you know what?
Speaker C:I'm just gonna pick up the phone call if it's a minute, if it's two minutes, you know, I mean, that's good.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:I don't have to judge myself for not spending more time with them.
Speaker C:And I'm so thankful now that my dad isn't here that I did that, because I would call every day and we would.
Speaker C:Sometimes we'd spend an hour, sometimes it would be literally one or two minutes.
Speaker C:Okay, you gotta go.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker C:You know, but.
Speaker C:But I made that connection, which I wouldn't have done as much If I hadn't been thinking about, you know, more, it's just got to be more than zero.
Speaker C:And that's okay.
Speaker A:I look at the conversations I have with my daughter.
Speaker A:She's on the west coast.
Speaker A:I don't get to see her very often.
Speaker A:Sometimes the two minute conversations are more meaningful than the two hour conversations.
Speaker A:Not about the time.
Speaker A:It's not the human measurement.
Speaker A:It's the quality put into that two minutes.
Speaker A:I love you.
Speaker A:I appreciate you.
Speaker A:I miss you.
Speaker A:You're important to me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Two minutes can be life changing.
Speaker A:Experience.
Speaker A:Experience.
Speaker B:Well, yeah.
Speaker B:And what's so easy to default to if you don't do this?
Speaker B:And Stu kind of hinted on this sort of rev that says, well, I can spend all my time getting ready to get ready to get ready for the perfect moment.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:You know that I have, you know, in my brain.
Speaker A:It's like the jump rope.
Speaker A:Remember playing jump rope?
Speaker A:You got double Dutch going on, and all you do is you.
Speaker A:I got to get in there.
Speaker A:I got to get in there.
Speaker A:But you never take the jump, right?
Speaker A:You got to get into the game.
Speaker C:Take that step, Take that step.
Speaker B:So, you know, we do this all the time with all kinds of different things.
Speaker B:And again, what we're trying to do is we do it.
Speaker B:I mean, we're not pointing fingers outward.
Speaker B:We're, you know, we all do this, but we all try to do it a little bit better, right?
Speaker B:That's what it's all about.
Speaker B:That's what we're here for.
Speaker B:So, you know, we've got the common stuff about the More Than zero, all right?
Speaker B:But really, we want to spend some really quality, concentrated time in this episode on more than zero when it comes to spirituality.
Speaker B:Now, that's a pretty broad based word.
Speaker B:I think we're going to try to, you know, kind of bring it home a little bit.
Speaker B:But the reason that we think this is important in this episode is because many times you'll nod out there and say, well, of course, in order to be a good piano player, I know we got to practice in order to be a good wrestler.
Speaker B:I know I gotta.
Speaker B:I mean, we're not telling you anything you even intuitively don't understand.
Speaker B:But when it comes to our spirituality, we can deceive ourselves much more, much easier than we can on the other stuff.
Speaker B:Because a lot of times, number one, it's not tangible.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:You can't just literally write it down.
Speaker B:Oh, I did 25 push ups, you know, or whatever it was.
Speaker B:Boom.
Speaker B:That's a number.
Speaker B:Now we're Talking about a more esoteric thing that manifests itself in our lives in all kinds of different ways.
Speaker B:Like we were talking about the board of the mortar zero come from.
Speaker B:And we tend to think that we're more spiritual.
Speaker B:And again, I'm not trying to judge anybody, but there is evidence of spirituality in all of our lives.
Speaker A:Sure, right.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, there is either.
Speaker B:And you go to the Bible, man.
Speaker B:I mean, Jesus talked all about that.
Speaker B:So, I mean, it's.
Speaker B:I'm not making something up here.
Speaker B:So where does that evidence come from?
Speaker B:And are we realistic with ourselves about our own spirituality?
Speaker A:Are we measuring it with an ego?
Speaker A:You know, let's go back to that idea of negative 2 is.
Speaker A:If the world's measurement is positive 2 is good, but negative 2 is bad.
Speaker A:No, it's not bad.
Speaker A:Maybe it's subtraction.
Speaker A:Meister Eckhart said that God is found in the soul not by a process of addition, but by a process of subtraction.
Speaker A:So is it that more than zero is the negative two?
Speaker A:I'm pulling away from my life and all the human doings so that I can be a human being.
Speaker A:So there is motion that's more than zero, which looks like a negative, but actually is the most beautiful movement.
Speaker B:My head's spinning right now.
Speaker C:I was going to say.
Speaker B:What do you say?
Speaker C:I think heads are popping.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker C:But I get it.
Speaker B:We alluded to this in the beginning, right?
Speaker C:We did.
Speaker B:There it was.
Speaker B:How it could be more than zero could be a negative.
Speaker B:There it is.
Speaker B:Replay that.
Speaker B:Push the back 10 seconds back.
Speaker A:I got to play it back because I don't know what I said.
Speaker C:It was beautiful.
Speaker C:It was good.
Speaker B:I loved it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:Well, let me tell you, in regards to spirituality, more than zero helped me to realize that I'm not just exploring a religion, but a relationship with God.
Speaker C:So I talked about relationships with my family and friends and doing it, but it's the same thing with God.
Speaker C:And this helped me to realize, like, God's probably excited every time I talk to him or connect with them.
Speaker C:Like, oh, wow, yeah, great.
Speaker C:I'm here.
Speaker C:I'm ready to have this conversation with you.
Speaker C:And so I do it.
Speaker C:You know, I shared with you guys earlier, like, I'll be in the car and something will hit me and I'll.
Speaker C:I'll.
Speaker C:You know, I'll just talk, start talking to God.
Speaker C:I don't have to wait till I get home to, you know, sit in the chair or get on my knees at the church.
Speaker C:I mean, I just.
Speaker C:Wherever I am.
Speaker C:I've done it at wrestling tournaments.
Speaker C:I've stepped off the mat and just said something to myself or maybe under my breath.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, you get off the mat and go, oh, God.
Speaker C:Yeah, that happens a lot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, that happens.
Speaker A:Some of the best conversations I've had with God and I don't say, mate.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker A:There's this infinite spirit of life and love.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker A:They're in the car.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Because I can't do anything else but just be present in that moment.
Speaker B:Well, for me, it's.
Speaker B:I gotta get a little bit of.
Speaker B:I need some stardust sprinkled on me or I'm gonna get out of my car and go, you know, beat the guy up in front of me.
Speaker B:That just cut me off.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:God told me to do this.
Speaker C:Well, here.
Speaker C:Here's what I.
Speaker C:What I learned with this more than zero concept when it comes to my spirituality.
Speaker C:The more.
Speaker C:The more effort I give it, like, the more that I.
Speaker C:The more I'm getting out of it, you know, it's.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:I'm just developing a better relationship, a better.
Speaker C:A more powerful and enlightened faith, I guess you'll call it.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker C:You know, connection.
Speaker C:I just keep going back to connection with God, a relationship, because that's how I see it.
Speaker C:It's really.
Speaker C:It's really that more than religion for me.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker B:Well, again, you can define spirituality however you want to in your life.
Speaker B:I love to go back and listen to our episode two weeks ago, Right.
Speaker B:When we were all together and the Rev made a statement.
Speaker B:And I had to ponder this right.
Speaker B:Where he said, look, you can say you're spiritual but not religious, but that's an oxymoron.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:You know, really and truly, if your spirit, you.
Speaker B:If you have spirituality, you need to flesh it out in some way, shape or form, in some form of religious practice.
Speaker B:And there's a lot into that, and we're not going to go into it again, but I thought it was a great point.
Speaker B:Think about that a little bit.
Speaker A:And that religious practice needs to just be more.
Speaker A:More than zero.
Speaker A:I have a regular practice, a system in place.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:To.
Speaker A:I have a phone line.
Speaker A:I have.
Speaker A:And hopefully on the main line.
Speaker A:Call them up, tell them what you want.
Speaker A:There's a system in place.
Speaker B:Well, and hopefully in community, too.
Speaker B:You know, that's.
Speaker B:That's an important part, I think, about the religiosity of how we do it, so.
Speaker A:All right, Coach, I heard the inhale.
Speaker A:You had something.
Speaker C:I was about to talk about prayer.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I Mean, how many people want to pray more and don't do it?
Speaker C:Or they want to read something maybe out of the Bible or something that they consider to be spiritual, and they don't do it because they feel like they have to sit down for 30 minutes or an hour.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:They need a checklist, and they need.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Like, I wanted that checklist.
Speaker C:I mean, but you could just.
Speaker C:You know, a prayer could be every.
Speaker C:Every morning when I get up, before my feet hit the floor, I say, thank you.
Speaker C:I say, thanks, God.
Speaker C:Sometimes I add to it.
Speaker C:I mean, literally, it's those two words, thanks, God.
Speaker C:But sometimes I'll say, thanks, God, you know, for.
Speaker C:You know, I'm about to go to a wrestling tournament today, or I'm about to go spend some time with my family and my friends.
Speaker C:Hey, it's Tuesday.
Speaker C:I get to do the podcast tonight.
Speaker C:I can't.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker C:This is, like, so amazing.
Speaker C:So sometimes it becomes longer, but sometimes it's just thanks, God.
Speaker A:See, my definition of God's a little bit different.
Speaker A:I talk to dead people.
Speaker A:I talk to people who have impacted my life in such a beautiful way that have ascended your dad.
Speaker A:I hope you're still having conversations and calling your dad and say, hey, dad, how you doing today?
Speaker A:Yeah, I love that I send angels before me to get to things done I don't know how to do.
Speaker A:I'm going to face a trial today.
Speaker A:I'll talk to those angels and say, go before me.
Speaker A:I'm having a relationship with dead people.
Speaker A:Or maybe they're more alive than I.
Speaker B:There it is.
Speaker B:They're stepping over the line right there now, you know, it's thinking differently.
Speaker C:It's funny that you say this, because just yesterday I looked in my favorite phone numbers, and my dad's, like, the third one on it because I have, like, my.
Speaker C:My wife and my daughter, my dad.
Speaker C:And I was like, I wonder what's going to happen if I press this button.
Speaker C:I'll just.
Speaker C:I'll just say, no.
Speaker C:Nobody answered, but it doesn't mean I didn't talk to my.
Speaker C:But nobody answered the phone.
Speaker C:I was.
Speaker C:I was a little nervous when I hit it.
Speaker C:Hello?
Speaker A:Son?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:What took you so long?
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Well, you know, that's so interesting, because my son, you know, Ian, walked, graduated with his masters this last.
Speaker A:Congratulations.
Speaker B:This last week, which was really pretty cool.
Speaker B:And he walked, and we were setting lunch afterward, and, you know, I was talking about how I was talking to my mom that day because my mom was the academian, not that my dad, he had a college education, all that kind of stuff, but she had a master's, and she was always, throughout her whole life, you know, very, very much tuned into academia.
Speaker B:And she was a teacher.
Speaker B:I mean, the whole thing.
Speaker B:And so I just know my mother was smiling when she saw her grandson walk across that stance.
Speaker C:That's great.
Speaker C:Without a doubt.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So why does it, you know, it matters, gang?
Speaker B:Because here's a very simple statement.
Speaker B:Here's why it matters.
Speaker B:We believe that you want to cultivate wisdom in your life.
Speaker B:And we're not talking only about experiential wisdom.
Speaker B:I mean, you know, gray hair.
Speaker B:And I've lived this many years, and I've been through this and I've been through that.
Speaker B:There can be some wisdom gained from that kind of stuff.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I don't have gray hair.
Speaker B:I know how that works.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:But there's a level of wisdom that goes beyond the finite.
Speaker B:Wisdom that you learn through experience, that if you don't cultivate your wisdom and make it more than zero, that pursuit, it won't come to you.
Speaker B:I mean, it just won't.
Speaker B:You're not going to be able to receive it.
Speaker B:It's always there, but you're just not going to be able to receive it.
Speaker B:And here's why we do this podcast.
Speaker B:We want you to.
Speaker B:We would love for you and for us, I mean, it's like we've arrived.
Speaker B:We want for you to be able.
Speaker B:Able to experience the divine in a deeper, greater way than you ever have.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that's why we do what we do.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:You know, so this is where we're coming from, why we think it's important.
Speaker B:And we're not putting a religious, you know, flavor on a religious label on this thing or anything like that.
Speaker B:All we're trying to say is, hey, hey, hey.
Speaker B:Don't kid yourself into thinking or wondering why you don't have a deeper spirituality if your efforts toward it aren't more than zero world.
Speaker B:You know, I mean, it's common sense, but we don't tend.
Speaker A:It's as simple as take 10 seconds every day before your feet hit the floor.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna listen.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't know what's there.
Speaker A:I don't believe in this thing.
Speaker A:God, just listen.
Speaker A:Get you.
Speaker A:Guess what?
Speaker A:You've opened up just a corner of your mind that that box is going to expand, and I guarantee a download.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Universe is going to speak to you.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker A:But you've got to open up 10 seconds.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I used to do that.
Speaker A:Now, 10 seconds has become 10 minutes has become 10 hours, and it becomes.
Speaker B:A way of life.
Speaker A:I'm not always listening, I'll be honest.
Speaker A:But I come here to this table, and it's like, dad, they just said something that's blew my mind.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Where did that come from?
Speaker A:Where did the.
Speaker A:Where did Matt come up with that?
Speaker A:I go home and I think about it, and the only way I can get it is if I listen.
Speaker B:Ah, I love that.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:And sometimes you say things that bump up against my belief system.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I can close down or I can just.
Speaker A:I'm going to give them 10 seconds when I go to bed tonight and.
Speaker B:Go, think about that.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker A:There's some truth there.
Speaker B:Well, here's here.
Speaker B:This brings up our little final point, maybe before we, you know, take a little break.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:Gosh, this is so cool, because we don't think about it in these terms, but you can do more than zero.
Speaker B:But here's.
Speaker B:Here's another thing to think about.
Speaker B:You can do too much.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:So, yes, it's more than zero.
Speaker B:It's way more than zero.
Speaker B:And it becomes now unhealthy.
Speaker B:And you don't allow yourself any breathing room, any.
Speaker B:Any room for perspective or to be able to just what the Rev was just talking about, to be able to ponder, even for those 10 seconds or 10 minutes or whatever it might be.
Speaker B:You're going.
Speaker B:And like I always like to say, right.
Speaker B:Mach 6 with your hair on fire all the time.
Speaker B:And, you know, more than zero sometimes needs to be.
Speaker B:I need to throttle down.
Speaker B:I'm still more than zero goes back.
Speaker A:To that negative number.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I got to put some brakes on.
Speaker C:Take a breath.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Take a breath.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So again, ponder your own life in these regards, because you can't.
Speaker B:I mean, there's natural laws involved here that you're just not going to swim against.
Speaker B:It's just not.
Speaker B:Not gonna happen.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So you're calling for balance.
Speaker A:The human and the divine, spiritual and the human experience must be in balance.
Speaker B:Yes, of course.
Speaker B:I mean, it works that way.
Speaker B:It's natural and it's good.
Speaker B:All right, so that's.
Speaker B:That's our first step.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That was awesome.
Speaker B:I think what we wanted to do is take a little break right now, and then for the last half of the episode, I think we'll talk a little bit more from a personal experience.
Speaker B:Well, how do you put flesh on that?
Speaker B:What does it look like?
Speaker B:You know, because as we've Always talked about and have all of our episodes.
Speaker B:You gotta do it.
Speaker B:You gotta do the work, right?
Speaker B:So with that, thanks for listening, and we'll be right back.
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Speaker B:All right, welcome back to the Wise Guys Podcast, where we've been talking about more than zero and how we've sort of lived that.
Speaker B:That, you know, saying.
Speaker B:And actually.
Speaker B:Actually have put wheels on it for years and years and years now.
Speaker B:And I think maybe we're going to spend a little time now for the rest of this episode.
Speaker B:And let's just say, well, how do we cultivate a greater spirituality if.
Speaker B:If we're going to give our spirituality a commitment of more than zero?
Speaker B:All right, that's where we've been going with this whole thing.
Speaker B:All right, what might that look like?
Speaker B:What does it look like for us?
Speaker B:Give you some pointers, give you some ideas, stimulate a few things.
Speaker B:There's all kinds of things you can find out there, and if you really want to, you can dig.
Speaker B:But, you know, things have made a difference in our life, and so, you know, let's share them and.
Speaker B:And maybe we can encourage you a little bit in that.
Speaker B:What do you guys think, huh?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Start simple, start small.
Speaker B:There it is.
Speaker A:You remember did somebody told me the advice, Just drive home a different way.
Speaker A:Drive home a different way than you've always done.
Speaker A:Something's going to take you an extra 30 seconds to get there, but you're still going to get home.
Speaker A:Just try something different.
Speaker B:But that's.
Speaker A:That's stupid.
Speaker A:I saw things I had never seen before.
Speaker A:I was open to things I'd never experienced before, and it cost me 30 seconds.
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker B:I can't help but laugh.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, gang, but.
Speaker B:But we have another backstory to this, so we can't really go into.
Speaker B:But when Stu drives through his neighborhood at 15 miles an hour, it's the same kind of thing.
Speaker B:Okay, we're going to leave it hanging right now on that one.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:It's a great story.
Speaker C:Beautiful.
Speaker C:There's turtles walking.
Speaker C:It's crazy.
Speaker A:Well, could it be that driving through your neighborhood for 15 miles an hour, absolutely nothing complex.
Speaker A:About that maybe hard, because you're used to going 60 miles an hour and missing all the beauty around you.
Speaker B:But, but, but, but your example, Rev, brings up a mindset more than an example.
Speaker B:And what it says is, I'm willing to do that.
Speaker B:I mean, it isn't abhorrent to me.
Speaker B:It isn't like the guy you did the comment that got made to you that you're going, well, that sounds like an interesting idea.
Speaker B:Let's go for it.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:I mean that right there.
Speaker B:If you're going to adopt that sort of countenance, that sort of attitude, that perspective.
Speaker B:We say this all the time.
Speaker B:Strap in.
Speaker B:Because things are going to happen in your life that you had no idea would possibly be part of the equation until you go, I'm in.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm gonna do one thing differently than I have done it every day.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It won't cost me any more time.
Speaker A:It's gonna maybe confront some fears.
Speaker A:Just gonna do this one thing differently.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Brush your teeth differently.
Speaker C:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker B:Start on a different tooth.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I mean, it's all kinds of stuff.
Speaker C:So another way to look at what the Rev's talking about is to not be stopped in your life, but to take action like he.
Speaker C:He wasn't stopped by, well, why should I do that?
Speaker C:I'm just going to go and do it like he.
Speaker C:So he started.
Speaker C:It's almost like you're disciplining yourself to not stop yourself.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And to do it and building that.
Speaker C:That muscle memory.
Speaker C:So eventually, anything that comes up, you're not.
Speaker C:You're not ever stopped anymore.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:You know, whatever it is, you just take the action.
Speaker C:And that's.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's the more than zero concept.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker C:You're taking action.
Speaker C:You're moving forward with it.
Speaker B:Well, and so let's go back to that great point.
Speaker B:You're exactly right.
Speaker B:And what can some of the action be?
Speaker B:Sometimes?
Speaker B:Nothing.
Speaker C:It could be nothing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we would.
Speaker B:That's a little paradox.
Speaker C:If you're that person that has no breathing room, you got a lot.
Speaker C:Have a lot going on.
Speaker C:It could be that that's the action.
Speaker B:That you need to take to not take.
Speaker B:Wait.
Speaker A:If you've been going a thousand miles an hour your whole life, one breath could be the epiphany and the revelation of God like you've never experienced.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Five seconds becomes heaven on earth.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:If there's any roguers out there that like the outdoors, like we do and go hiking, do this when you're hiking.
Speaker C:Think about it.
Speaker C:How many times are you walking on a hike?
Speaker C:Which is probably beautiful.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:But you're not looking around.
Speaker C:You're not stopping, taking a breath, soaking it in.
Speaker C:I mean, so many.
Speaker C:This happened to me, right?
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I've been on hikes with guys, and we got done and was sharing pictures on the way back or, you know, the.
Speaker A:The next night, and it's like, I didn't see that picture.
Speaker A:Yeah, because you didn't stop and take the picture.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker A:You missed it because you were driving to get to the top.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:That's just.
Speaker B:I mean, we do it all the time.
Speaker B:We just are not willing to just slow down a little bit and, you know, and smell the roses.
Speaker B:I mean, there's all kinds of, you know, analogies out there.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But we've got to practice it.
Speaker B:You've got.
Speaker B:You've got to consciously until it becomes a habit.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And that's another analogy that everybody understands.
Speaker B:But again, we're applying it to your spirituality, and a lot of times we don't.
Speaker B:We're over here learning to be a better golfer or better tennis player.
Speaker B:We understand all these concepts.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But when it comes to our spirituality, we got, you know, we got our heads.
Speaker A:You know, you have a concept on the notes here that I just love.
Speaker A:Say yes.
Speaker A:If you're saying no, no, no, no, no, you're in a rut.
Speaker A:Just find one thing to say yes.
Speaker A:Or if you're saying yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, find one thing to say no to.
Speaker B:That's one thing.
Speaker A:That's more than zero.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, I mean, it's about seeing differently and doing differently.
Speaker B:This is what this whole podcast is about.
Speaker B:But, you know, maybe there's some examples.
Speaker B:I know there are in my life.
Speaker B:These guys have got them.
Speaker B:But there's nothing wrong with a routine.
Speaker B:Stu wants his checklist.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And in the property perspective, there's absolutely nothing wrong with a checklist.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:If it helps you stay disciplined.
Speaker B:If it helps.
Speaker B:As long as it doesn't bind you, as long as it doesn't confine you.
Speaker B:I don't care if it's.
Speaker B:If it's an item of five on your checklist, don't be scared of number six.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You know, we can so often just define our life or define our experience by the 10 things on the list here.
Speaker C:Here's where more than zero helps me with this.
Speaker C:Let's say I have a list of six things, right?
Speaker C:And I get to three of them.
Speaker C:Now that I understand more than Zero.
Speaker C:I don't feel guilty about that.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker C:Because I'm like, okay, I did more than zero.
Speaker C:If.
Speaker C:Even if I did just one of them, sure.
Speaker C:Like, all right, I did one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's really confronting the Virgo mindset.
Speaker A:No, if I have six things on my list, I have to do six things, and, boy, that's a quick road to suffering.
Speaker B:Well, again, there's lots of things you can.
Speaker B:You can do, do.
Speaker B:And let me just make this definitive statement.
Speaker B:We'll give you a few of these things without getting into the details of them.
Speaker B:You can look them up, or you can find some on your own, and then we'll wrap it up.
Speaker B:But here's.
Speaker B:I'm going to make a.
Speaker B:I'm going to make a statement.
Speaker B:Are you strapped in?
Speaker B:Okay, here's the statement.
Speaker B:There are no excuses for less than zero.
Speaker B:Now, take it into context.
Speaker B:Sometimes it's a negative number.
Speaker B:What I'm talking about here is you.
Speaker B:There's no excuse that you can give that says, I can't have more than zero in some way, shape or form, okay?
Speaker B:So I don't want to hear the buts.
Speaker B:But you don't understand.
Speaker B:But you don't know my life.
Speaker B:You don't know what's going on.
Speaker B:I've heard it all.
Speaker A:Well, I've said it all.
Speaker A:Would you like a little bit.
Speaker A:Bit of cheese with that wine?
Speaker B:I thought I was getting a little bit in your face, but.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And that's, you know, but.
Speaker B:But listen up, okay?
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:There's no way you're going to get out of this thing other than if you just want to ignore it.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:And it's as convicting for us as it is for you.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:So we're not trying to, you know, set ourselves above anybody, but there's, you know, there's nothing wrong with checklists and routines.
Speaker B:You know, the things that I found in my life, you know, write it down.
Speaker B:If you want to have a journal, that's fine.
Speaker B:I'm not the greatest journaler.
Speaker B:I've never been that kind of person.
Speaker B:But that can help.
Speaker B:How about a vision board?
Speaker B:I use those every year.
Speaker B:We were talking about this before we.
Speaker B:Before the episode time, before the recording.
Speaker B:How about this?
Speaker B:How many times if you come to an intersection and there's somebody asking for money, okay?
Speaker B:Now either you're going, I'm not giving that guy any money.
Speaker B:I'm not.
Speaker B:This is, you know, he's going to take it and use it on beer and blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:So you have that one attitude out there or the other.
Speaker B:I think more common attitude is, oh, man, I just haven't got any little, you know, small denominations of cash or whatever.
Speaker B:I mean, especially in the society today.
Speaker B:Well, guess what?
Speaker B:You can fix that.
Speaker B:Go to the bank, tell them to give you 30 ones, and stick them in an envelope and stick it in your car.
Speaker B:And now you could be generous without giving an excuse that says I can't be generous.
Speaker A:How much time will that take?
Speaker A:Oh, maybe a minute or two.
Speaker A:More than zero.
Speaker A:Right through and get those ones.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, come on, guys.
Speaker B:Come on.
Speaker B:We want to peel away this.
Speaker B:You know, the wine and rev would say, all right, you might want to set up a sacred space that works for some people.
Speaker B:An altar or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Again, it helps you just focus and be in the space.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So, you know, read things, watch things different.
Speaker B:Like the rev was saying, you watch the same thing every week.
Speaker B:Good for you.
Speaker B:Try something different.
Speaker B:Just once.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:Just once.
Speaker C:I do this.
Speaker C:I gained so much wisdom from.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:That I watch.
Speaker B:This is our movie.
Speaker C:Movie.
Speaker C:Yeah, movies, TV show.
Speaker C:I find wisdom in all of them.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:I mean, and it's.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's amazing to me, even if I just spend a few minutes watching something I could find.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:Oh, he's.
Speaker B:He's amazing at that.
Speaker A:You can go to Hollywood and watch one scene that takes you three minutes, and your life can be changed.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:And you can always find that epic story in there somewhere.
Speaker B:The whole hero, you know, you know, the villain, the whole Joseph Campbell, you know, kind of thing.
Speaker B:Man, it's always.
Speaker B:It's all around us.
Speaker A:Well, we're going to go back to those excuses.
Speaker A:How many people say, I just don't have the time.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:No, no, you just haven't made the time.
Speaker A:And I'm speaking.
Speaker A:This is not about challenging anybody.
Speaker A:It's challenging my.
Speaker A:When I got off my whining and my pity pot and I said, two minutes is going to be enough, two minutes became four, became eight, became 16.
Speaker A:But I had to quit saying, there isn't enough time, there isn't enough money, there's not enough this or that, that is a cop out.
Speaker A:And that's the limited view of living in the world without God.
Speaker A:I'm a dull pencil.
Speaker A:I'm going to go back to that sign.
Speaker A:Two minutes of sharpening is better than nothing.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:A useless pencil.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So in my mind, more than zero times irrelevant, with more than Zero to me.
Speaker B:That's a great point.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:It's irrelevant because I.
Speaker C:I can.
Speaker C:Instead of being stopped from calling, you know, my family, because I think it might take 30 minutes or an hour, I just call them.
Speaker C:And if I only have a minute, I have a minute.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And that's good.
Speaker C:And that connection is good.
Speaker C:Or same thing with God.
Speaker C:I mean, we're going back to talking about spirituality, right?
Speaker C:Yeah, If I can spend a minute.
Speaker C:Minute, Right.
Speaker C:I mean, you know, I want.
Speaker C:I want to spend more time, but I'm not going to beat myself up if I don't.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, or I'm not going to not do it because I want to have more time.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:I'm going to do it.
Speaker A:Can one minute change a relationship?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Are you kidding me?
Speaker A:One minute, one word, one sentence, one touch can absolutely change a life.
Speaker C:A look, you know, walking down the road, a smile.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:All these things, right?
Speaker A:Oh, that's not enough.
Speaker A:I guess it is.
Speaker A:All right, gang, let's hear it.
Speaker C:Here we go.
Speaker B:We're kind of wrapping up.
Speaker B:I love those, though.
Speaker B:I love those thoughts.
Speaker B:So we're just kind of.
Speaker B:We're entering into.
Speaker B:There's a challenge.
Speaker B:We've been giving you a challenge kind of almost all along.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And as we like to say at the end of every one of our episodes, your mission, should you choose to accept it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Decide to go rogue.
Speaker B:Decide to make it.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker C:More than 0.
Speaker B:0.
Speaker B:There's the rogue part right there.
Speaker B:There's a perfect example.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Find like minded rogue.
Speaker A:Just find one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Just fine.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:More than zero.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:Find you somebody that can help, that can go along, that can go on the journey with you.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:That can pick you up.
Speaker B:When you fall forward gracefully, then you gotta strap on the armor and this is it.
Speaker B:You know, you do a battle with yourself more than anything else.
Speaker B:You got to get ready.
Speaker B:You're stinking thinking like the ref says all the time.
Speaker B:So you got to put some of that protection on there because you're also going to swim in the.
Speaker B:Against the current with a lot of people.
Speaker B:You probably know then what you want to do.
Speaker B:All of this gets us to the point where we're going to storm the gates.
Speaker B:And we've always.
Speaker B:We talk every week, but this week we're going to say storm the gates of the ice.
Speaker B:I can't.
Speaker B:The I can't card.
Speaker B:I can't because one gate storm, like one gate 500.
Speaker A:Just one.
Speaker A:Just one idea, one paradigm, and you're holding.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker B:And what you will do in the.
Speaker C:Process is unleash the unthinkable.
Speaker B:Unleash the unthinkable for what used to be unthinkable for you will now become part of you.
Speaker B:And believe me, it changes everything.
Speaker B:Good stuff tonight, my wise guys.
Speaker B:Hopefully we just practice some wisdom tonight.
Speaker B:I would like to think we did.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you, Captain.
Speaker B:Thank you both, man.
Speaker B:This is awesome.
Speaker B:Thank all of you for listening, for being part of what we're doing.
Speaker B:And again, we hope this just helps you do it a little bit better.
Speaker B:That's our mission.
Speaker B:So take care.
Speaker B:We're going to be back next week.
Speaker B:That'll be Christmas week.
Speaker B:So we're looking forward to doing our recording for next week.
Speaker B:Got a little creative with that, but in the meantime, have a great week and we'll see you next time.
Speaker B:Take care.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker D:You made it and can now unbuckle.
Speaker D:Thanks for listening to More than Zero.
Speaker D:Transforming your spirituality.
Speaker D:A conversation that challenged you to set aside complacency and move the needle on your spiritual growth.
Speaker D:Remember to visit the website at Gorogue Life for lots of follow up information.
Speaker D:See the show notes for any links to episode content and check out the Seeing Differently blog.
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Speaker D:Be sure to tune in next week when Mac unleashes another unthinkable conversation.
Speaker D:That is if you dare.
