Leadership Lessons: Courage, Humility, and a Little Fun Part 2
Ready to roll? We're diving deep into the world of courageous leadership, where we tackle everything from the nitty-gritty of personal growth to the art of being present for those we lead. Today, we’re all about the importance of rolling up your sleeves and getting your hands dirty—because, let’s face it, it’s hard work that brings results. We also explore the gift of availability; that’s right, giving your time is one of the most valuable things you can offer. Plus, we dig into the idea that sometimes, you gotta embrace a little suffering to really grow. So, buckle up, because we’re shattering the norms and flipping the script on what it means to lead effectively!
Takeaways:
- Engaging in courageous leadership requires you to actively participate and roll up your sleeves.
- Understanding your 'why' is crucial, as it shapes your leadership approach and inspires others.
- A good leader is available to their team, showing that they prioritize their needs and well-being.
- Courageous leaders often face suffering, whether it's second-guessing themselves or dealing with team dynamics.
- Effective leadership involves focusing on what's truly important while learning to say 'no' to distractions.
- Personal growth and emotional intelligence are vital for anyone in a leadership role to thrive.
Links referenced in this episode:
- Gorogue Life-The Wizeguys homepage
- Start with why-Simon Sinek
- Tyranny of the Urgent
Transcript
You know, and it's about having them participate.
Speaker A:I think part of it, I mean, you know, is one aspect.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'd agree with that.
Speaker B:And, you know, if you have a little sidebar plug, I don't.
Speaker B:We don't make any money off this or anything.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But, you know, Simon Sinek did a phenomenal thing when he started out doing the TED Talks, and he just talked about in business.
Speaker B:You got to answer, what is your why?
Speaker C:That's a taste of leadership lessons.
Speaker C:Courage, humility, and a little fun.
Speaker C:Part two, this week's episode of the Wise Guys, a podcast that unleashes the unthinkable in culture, religion, and everyday life.
Speaker C:In this conversation, the guides continue the conversation on holistic perspectives that can help us better navigate leadership challenges.
Speaker C:So strap in, shatter the norm, and see if you are willing to let Mac and Coach Stu take you to a place of thinking differently.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Welcome to the Wise Guys, a podcast where we unleash the unthinkable and shatter the norms to help you expand your worldview.
Speaker B:And I would say that every week, Donna, you usually help us expand our worldview.
Speaker B:Hopefully, this will help us to do it just a little bit better.
Speaker B:So that's why we're here.
Speaker B:That's why we do this.
Speaker B:That's why we have so much fun.
Speaker B:And hi, I'm Mac, your host.
Speaker B:And in this episode, we're going to pick up on part two of our leadership discussion that we started last episode.
Speaker B:So I'm going to say, if you haven't listened to that, you should.
Speaker B:We're going to give a little bit of highlights tonight on it, but go back and listen to that episode.
Speaker B:It was, I think, really cool.
Speaker B:We had a good time with it.
Speaker B:So do that, because that's what we're going to talk about.
Speaker B:And then we got the Wise Guy.
Speaker B:The wise guy tonight.
Speaker B:Singular.
Speaker B:Singular.
Speaker B:Got to.
Speaker B:Got to coach Stu in the house.
Speaker A:The wise guy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Hey, Mac.
Speaker A:Hey, Matt.
Speaker A:Good to see you, man.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We're going to be missing the Rev tonight, I'll tell you that, which means there probably won't be any new memes coming out.
Speaker B:I did do one from last week.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker B:Oh, no.
Speaker B:I did one from his sermon on Sunday is what he does.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:He always.
Speaker A:He has some good ones.
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker A:We're gonna miss him tonight.
Speaker A:He can't be here.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But he gave us the okay to go ahead, and we're.
Speaker B:He's got an interesting component.
Speaker B:He's a great component to what we do.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And we are.
Speaker B:Well, you you'll miss a little bit of him, too.
Speaker B:Just not.
Speaker B:Not just us.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So, Mac, let me say hey to the Rev.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And hello to all you beautiful, exotic cocktails out there.
Speaker A:Hello, and welcome.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:To the Wise Guys podcast.
Speaker B:The Wise Guys.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:All right, so we're talking about wise Guys.
Speaker B:We always have words to the wise.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:That's part of what we do.
Speaker B:Hopefully you can pick up a little bit on this one.
Speaker B:So here it is.
Speaker B:You won't lose your shirt if you roll up your sleeves.
Speaker A:Let me see.
Speaker A:My sleeves are rolled up.
Speaker A:And I got the flex, too.
Speaker B:There it is.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:No, sniggle it, but okay.
Speaker B:I can still see it.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:Yeah, this.
Speaker B:What do you think?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, people, that phrase is pretty common.
Speaker A:Rolling up your sleeves.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:To me, it's just like, hey, let's do some hard work.
Speaker A:Like, let's get.
Speaker A:Let's go.
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker A:And, you know, I mean, it's kind of like, you won't lose your shirt.
Speaker A:It's like you're losing something.
Speaker A:Like, lose your shirt.
Speaker A:Like, you hear about that with maybe, like, investments or something like, oh, I don't want to lose my shirt.
Speaker A:If I invest in.
Speaker A:You know, that's like, you're losing something.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So I don't know.
Speaker A:This thing, to me, encourages, like, effort, hustling, do the work.
Speaker A:I mean, being proactive, getting your hands dirty, just, you know, hard work, Just doing hard work, doing hard things.
Speaker B:Well, this is what the podcast is all about in general, that we encourage, again, not only ourselves, but all of you to do the work.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Because most of the stuff we talk about, almost all I'm going to say, all the stuff we talk about is great information, in my opinion.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But at the same time, you have to take it.
Speaker B:You have to do something with it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And, you know, we are going to talk about some of that tonight when it comes to leading.
Speaker B:But one of the things we talked about, I'm just going to steal a little bit of Stu Slender here.
Speaker B:We talked about last week about, you got to lead yourself.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:A lot of times people don't think about that component of leadership.
Speaker B:Dude.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So you did say this is part two.
Speaker A:So let's give them a little summary.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:This is what Part one.
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And if you haven't listened to part one, please go back and do so.
Speaker A:But absolutely, it is not a requirement to hear part one to.
Speaker A:To get something out of part two.
Speaker B:True.
Speaker A:So let me just go through some of the categories we, we covered.
Speaker A:So the first one we talked about in part one was the courage to lead.
Speaker A:And we asked the question, are leaders born or are they made?
Speaker A:And we all agreed yes to both.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then we talked about, you know, how do you lead yourself?
Speaker A:Because you, you're.
Speaker A:When you think of leadership, a lot of times you're thinking of leading other people, but you are leading yourself down some path.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So that was something.
Speaker A:And then here was, Here was probably the biggest, like, aha.
Speaker A:I think for a lot of people having the courage to follow, like, when you think about leadership, they think about following.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, that's important.
Speaker A:And I, I mentioned last week, I'm like, I'm okay with doing this.
Speaker A:And I, I love within my coaching team being able to have others coach and lead a practice where I'm following them.
Speaker A:To me, that's healthy.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And sure.
Speaker B:Oh, I totally.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And then we had under courage to lead.
Speaker A:Something that the, the rev always says is that your, your mind and your heart are kind of moving in the right direction.
Speaker A:So he's like, so he always says, follow your heart, but don't forget to bring your.
Speaker B:Bring your mind along.
Speaker A:Bring your brain along with good advice.
Speaker A:Ye.
Speaker A:That was the courage to lead section.
Speaker A:And then we went into bad leadership.
Speaker B:Characteristics, and we didn't hit that too hard.
Speaker B:We just want to make sure we reminded everybody, you know, you can do it badly too.
Speaker B:You know, now there doesn't mean there can't be redemption in there.
Speaker B:Can't be learning in there.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:You know, can't be, you know, stuff that, that turns out good.
Speaker B:But, you know, if you don't have to go through it sometimes, you know, if you're just a little bit sharper or you're a little bit more prepared or, you know, whatever it might be.
Speaker B:But there is a way to have bad leadership too.
Speaker A:There is.
Speaker A:And that typically you're ineffective when that's occurring, you know, and there could be some ethics that are being questioned.
Speaker A:And you know, I wrote down, I remember when I was looking at this topic, I wrote down or this section that, you know, the word judgmental.
Speaker A:You know, there could be some judgment in there.
Speaker A:And, and then there was this.
Speaker A:And I know people think this.
Speaker A:A lot of leaders are like this.
Speaker A:There was a, There was a trusting or a not trusting aspect to that, which I think is a bad leadership characteristic.
Speaker A:And here's the phrase.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, okay, I allocated this to, I assigned it to somebody else.
Speaker A:But you know what?
Speaker A:I can do it better so let me just.
Speaker A:Let me.
Speaker A:I'm just going to do it, you know, instead of maybe having them do it.
Speaker A:So that, to me, isn't.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:That's not being effective.
Speaker A:It's not trusting the people on your team.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So that's bad leadership characteristics.
Speaker A:So then the next section was, what is your why?
Speaker A:And we asked a couple of questions.
Speaker A:Is it about me or we?
Speaker B:Yeah, we love that term, don't we?
Speaker B:Me or the we?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And then, you know, is it really lonely at the top?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:I made the point that I thought that was the wrong perspective.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Because leadership isn't.
Speaker A:You shouldn't be alone in your isolated.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:And then I, you know, I wrote down about being, you know, loving and caring, and you want people that you're leading to live their best life.
Speaker A:So how do you do that?
Speaker A:You know, and it's about having them participate.
Speaker A:I think part of it, I mean, you know, is one aspect.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'd agree with that.
Speaker B:And, you know, if you haven't a little sidebar plug, I don't.
Speaker B:We don't make any money off this or anything.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But, you know, Simon Sinek did a phenomenal thing when he started out doing the TED talks, and he just talked about, in business, you got to answer what is your why?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:They don't care what you do.
Speaker B:People don't care what you do until they understand why you're doing it.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:And you may not know this.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So you got to ask yourself so you can answer that question.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:For yourself.
Speaker A:If you haven't done that, find out what your why is.
Speaker A:Whenever you.
Speaker A:You have a feeling about something and you care about it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You might have a little bit of passion involved.
Speaker A:Like ask yourself, why do I care about this?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Why am I passionate about this?
Speaker A:You may know, but you may not.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then figuring that out is telling sometimes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And what I learned, that's.
Speaker B:That's a great place to start.
Speaker B:And then what I was taught a while back was whatever you answer, whatever the answer is to that, that you're talking about, here's the next question for you.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Because it helps you get past the easy answer or the quickie or the thing is, top of mind forces you however many layers down that you need to go.
Speaker B:You just keep asking why after you get the answer.
Speaker B:Because usually we don't answer stuff completely or with proper focus.
Speaker B:Initially, it might have parts in there, but you got to really Start to dig down.
Speaker B:And really.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:It's a visceral thing, kind of almost.
Speaker B:You got to get to the bottom of.
Speaker B:Oh, that's why.
Speaker B:Yes, that happens.
Speaker B:And that happens.
Speaker B:And that happens.
Speaker A:So, yes, and those are good moments.
Speaker A:So there's one more sect that we covered before we hit part two here, and it was the power of inspiration.
Speaker A:Be.
Speaker A:That'd be a good book.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:That probably exists already.
Speaker A:The power of inspiration.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So you know, it.
Speaker A:It's a good leader.
Speaker A:Gives more inspiration than information.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's a.
Speaker A:And I often say when you meet somebody, it.
Speaker A:It's better to be interested instead of interesting.
Speaker B:I love that, too.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:There might.
Speaker A:There's got to be a meme.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:That the ref isn't here, but there we go.
Speaker B:Okay, I'm gonna have to pick up on that one.
Speaker B:All right, good, good.
Speaker A:And we talked about helping others to stop getting ready.
Speaker A:To get ready.
Speaker A:To get ready.
Speaker A:Yeah, you know, we tend to do that, you know, and just.
Speaker A:Just start walking, moving forward, making it happen.
Speaker A:And so one of the things we mention a lot is the spirit.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So become inspired yourself by being animated and directed by the spirit.
Speaker A:I mean, there's the root.
Speaker B:We talk about root and fruit all the time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker A:And the last point we made was like, you know, make it fun.
Speaker A:You know, we talked about longevity when we've said this.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:And one of the things that longevity that people do is laugh.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And they're joyful.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So make it fun.
Speaker A:And that.
Speaker A:That means you have.
Speaker A:You need to have people in your life.
Speaker A:That's important for all those things to occur.
Speaker B:And don't worry about being a little vulnerable and all that kind of stuff, because you have to let your guard down a little bit in order to be authentic.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So that was part.
Speaker A:That was part one.
Speaker B:One.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So again, we fleshed it out, and Stu gave you the highlights, but, you know, we delve deeper into each one.
Speaker B:I really encourage you to listen to first half because there was some really good nuggets there.
Speaker B:So again, we're moving to part two.
Speaker B:And so the first topic that we are going to address, you know, in this second episode, is as you lead and to lead, one of the things to lead effectively is to give the gift.
Speaker B:And this is going to sound a little funny.
Speaker B:You have to learn to give the gift of your availability.
Speaker B:You know, you need to be available to the people that you lead.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And and there's so many components, you know, that are in that, but it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's core.
Speaker B:If you are isolated and you're on the glass, you know, you're in the.
Speaker B:In.
Speaker B:In the corner office, and you don't want anybody bugging you.
Speaker B:That's not courageous leadership.
Speaker B:Because that is one thing.
Speaker B:We were talking about being courageous when it comes to leading.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Being available is so important because people want to be led.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:How can you do that if you're not available?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, it seems like a simple concept, but some leaders are not available.
Speaker A:They don't make themselves available.
Speaker A:They make whatever else they have going on more important.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:And to me, you're.
Speaker A:You're the team of people you're leading.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They're the most important, in my opinion.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Well, everything else flows from that.
Speaker B:I mean, again, because you can't do it all yourself.
Speaker B:So if you are cultivating and managing and leading a team, then there has to be some interaction.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You're just like Stu said, you gotta be able to, you know, like.
Speaker B:Well, we talked about rolling the sleeves up, right.
Speaker B:When we're doing the other thing.
Speaker B:Yeah, you gotta get in there and roll the sleeves up with them.
Speaker B:You know, I read a book years and years ago, it's more of a Christian book, and it was talking about leadership in Christian.
Speaker B:You know, in Christian circles.
Speaker B:And the name of the book was they Smell Like Sheep.
Speaker B:Okay, now think about that.
Speaker B:I mean, a shepherd has got to smell, right.
Speaker B:Like his sheep.
Speaker A:You know, leaders smell like sheep.
Speaker A:Oh, I got it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Needs to smell like, you know, and I don't want to make it sound like, you know, workers or people that you're working for are sheep, but it was a good.
Speaker B:It was a good analogy.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:So that's great.
Speaker A:Well, you know, I cannot think of.
Speaker A:When you're talking about the gift of availability, I cannot think of a better gift than your time.
Speaker B:Yeah, right, right.
Speaker B:It makes.
Speaker A:I mean, in all aspects of life, not just leadership.
Speaker B:Right, Totally.
Speaker B:You know, that's the friendship, you know, deep relationships.
Speaker B:Everything has to do with your.
Speaker A:With your partner, with your kids.
Speaker A:I mean, that's more valuable than any material gift you can give.
Speaker B:Well, and that's why we call it a gift.
Speaker B:You know, sometimes we don't necessarily think about availability as a gift.
Speaker B:Here.
Speaker B:This is me, my time.
Speaker B:I'm giving it to you as a gift.
Speaker B:That matters, man.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, that matters.
Speaker B:Golly.
Speaker A:And there's one more aspect of this gift.
Speaker A:Of availability that I just love is leaving breathing room for anything that's unexpected.
Speaker A:And, you know, this Mac that there was one of my favorite sermon series was called breathing Room.
Speaker A:And it's about.
Speaker A:It's all about this.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:You know, when something happens, do you have the ability to just go handle it or be with somebody, you know, somebody needs you and you have your day.
Speaker A:If.
Speaker A:Do you have any breathing room at all to be able to say, you know what, I'll be right there.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:You know, and how great is it if you do and you can do that?
Speaker B:Well, it means that you.
Speaker B:You're demonstrating to anybody, like you were saying, doesn't have to be just at work.
Speaker B:You're demonstrating that you are committed and you care and.
Speaker A:And the other person is important to you.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So if you think about creating this, this breathing room, like, I know a lot of people are busy these days.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Any time in their schedule, but it's just like a.
Speaker A:Like a budget.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Don't you.
Speaker A:I mean, you're the financial guy, Matt.
Speaker A:Don't you put a line in for like unexpected.
Speaker B:Miscellaneous.
Speaker A:Miscellaneous expense.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I mean, it's the same thing with your time.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And if you have that in there and you show people in your life how important they are.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker B:Well, and, you know, this space that you do create sometimes when people are in need and you want to be there, you know, you're, you know, you.
Speaker B:You care and you want to be, but you won't.
Speaker B:Sometimes you just want to default to trying to give them advice to make it better.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:That's a heartfelt thing.
Speaker B:It's not bad.
Speaker B:But most of the time, unless you're asked for means to just be there.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Just create the space for the people.
Speaker B:And don't worry about trying to offer advice again unless it's asked and you get to that place in the conversation.
Speaker B:But just be.
Speaker B:Just be in same space with them.
Speaker B:Don't try to leap to helping them.
Speaker B:Try to fix it, you know, whatever it is.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker B:You know, and that's.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, you're available, but you're not being overbearing.
Speaker A:Sometimes they just need to listen to.
Speaker A:For you to listen.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:And you don't know how much time it's going to be.
Speaker A:It could be a minute, it could be.
Speaker A:It could be longer, you know, but.
Speaker B:You need to be prepared for whatever.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the gift.
Speaker B:Give the gift of availability.
Speaker B:Not again.
Speaker B:Sue made a great point.
Speaker B:Not just as you lead but as you just are, right.
Speaker B:You just live life.
Speaker B:That's a great.
Speaker A:That's a courageous leader right there.
Speaker B:That's a courageous thing to do.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So give the gift of availability.
Speaker B:That was our first part for part two.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And the next part is so people's eyebrows are going to go up when I say this.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker A:Have a willingness to suffer.
Speaker B:You ever heard that in a management seminar or leadership seminar before?
Speaker A:If I was in front of people right now, Mac, and I said this, I would literally stop and look around the room and wait for somebody to raise a hand or say something because, you know, the minds are going, that.
Speaker A:What does that mean?
Speaker B:What is he talking about?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, one example could be suffering through second guessing yourself.
Speaker A:Like, who hasn't done this?
Speaker A:You know, the stories we tell ourselves.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know.
Speaker A:For me, my brain just keeps going.
Speaker A:I get to sleep.
Speaker A:If I wake up, oh, I'm in trouble because it's going and going and going and.
Speaker A:And you might run yourself down some path that.
Speaker A:That of something that isn't even true.
Speaker B:Well, that's typically what happens, quite frankly.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:What do you call that?
Speaker A:The monkey brain.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Goes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, here's the thing about.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And you will.
Speaker B:Let me just put it this way.
Speaker B:We're just giving you an example, but we're certainly not saying, well, courageous leadership eliminates that.
Speaker B:It won't.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:The more courageous you are as you lead, the more you're going to suffer.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I'm just.
Speaker B:I'm just giving you some advice from my own life that the more you, you know, are courageous and lean in, the more you're going to deal with people, the more you're going to have to deal with yourself.
Speaker B:And every single one of those components will cause you at some point to suffer.
Speaker B:Yeah, it just does.
Speaker B:I mean, it's just the way it works, you know, so.
Speaker A:Well, also, you can look at it from.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:That's your self suffering, right.
Speaker B:Decision making and everything.
Speaker A:Guessing yourself and all.
Speaker A:That was a really bad grammatical sentence.
Speaker A:I apologize.
Speaker A:All the English majors out there that are.
Speaker A:Are cringing.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But how about suffering in others?
Speaker A:Suffering or recognizing that others and part and being there, like participating.
Speaker B:There's the gift of availability again, we go back to that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And this is something, you know, we talk about spirituality and God a lot, obviously, on this podcast.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:This is something I believe God does.
Speaker A:God is there in your suffering.
Speaker A:So a good leader.
Speaker A:If, If I can go back to what we're talking about.
Speaker A:Courageous leadership.
Speaker A:A good leader is there as well.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:They haven't run away.
Speaker A:They're there to be with you, however you need them to be.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Tribe of five.
Speaker B:We talk about all that kind of stuff.
Speaker B:And here's.
Speaker B:Here's the thing that.
Speaker B:That I really didn't grasp until later in my life, and that's.
Speaker B:As I look at you, Stu, guess what I see?
Speaker B:God.
Speaker A:Oh, awesome.
Speaker A:I see God wondering what was going to come out.
Speaker B:Well, I had a couple other things going on in there, but I wasn't going to say it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But as I look into Stu's eyes or I look into anybody's eyes, how do you think God sees the world?
Speaker A:Yeah, God sees the world through our.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Through us.
Speaker B:And that's what's so beautiful about the whole way it's all designed, you know, so, you know.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:If you suffer, I'm gonna suffer.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:We are one.
Speaker B:And in this oneness, you know, we all take on the suffering and the joy that we all experience.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:You know, so it's.
Speaker B:It's inevitable.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You're not gonna bypass this.
Speaker B:It's not gonna happen.
Speaker A:Well, and there.
Speaker A:And if you think about it, Mac, there's an authenticity to.
Speaker A:To suffering.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Humility.
Speaker A:Like to me, being vulnerable.
Speaker A:Being authentic means being vulnerable.
Speaker B:Yeah, true.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:That's a great example.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You might it.
Speaker A:By showing this side of you as a leader, you.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You will make it okay for the people that you're working with and helping or leading, whoever that may be, including yourself.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:You're making it okay for them to do the same thing.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:That's being a good, courageous leader.
Speaker A:That is inspiring some good things to happen in somebody's life.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:By being authentic.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And trusting.
Speaker B:If you've built.
Speaker B:If you've worked at.
Speaker B:And if you've worked at these things that we're talking about, then they gradually get.
Speaker B:I don't know if I'm going to call it easier, but the more you've melded that team together, those people that you lead, that you can begin to trust them just as much as they can trust you and their environment.
Speaker B:Then these things become.
Speaker B:What shall I say?
Speaker B:They become more effective because people are leaning in.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know that I question and everything all the time.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So it's a dynamic that works constantly.
Speaker B:Again, not against itself, but it works in tandem all the time.
Speaker B:You can't separate any of this stuff.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:So get.
Speaker A:So guess what, Matt?
Speaker A:If you embrace this concept we're talking about.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Which means to suffer.
Speaker A:We do.
Speaker A:And we're encouraging all you out there to do the same thing.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Guess what you're doing?
Speaker A:You are doing one of the things we say at the end of every podcast.
Speaker A:You are shattering the norm.
Speaker B:Because we ought to do that here.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Hang on a second.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:We shattered the norm right there.
Speaker B:Yeah, we just shattered the norm.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:But it's true.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Because this is.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:It's not normal.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I mean, it.
Speaker A:You know, hopefully it will be.
Speaker A:Hopefully.
Speaker A:We encourage people to embrace this concept.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But it just says it's.
Speaker B:It's some.
Speaker B:Most of the time, it's outside of your normal flow.
Speaker B:You know, we head down, moving through the same old, same old.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So we always encourage you to think outside and dare to, you know, to go there and all that.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Good stuff, man.
Speaker B:Good stuff.
Speaker B:So that's.
Speaker B:We're going to take a little exhale from that good stuff, and we're going to take a little break and then we're going to be right back to finish up the episode with a couple more little highlights and some nuggets.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So hang with us.
Speaker B:We'll be right back.
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Speaker B:All right, welcome back to the Wise Guys Podcast.
Speaker B:We're in this episode, this the wise Guy duo, because we don't have the rev with us this week, which we truly miss.
Speaker B:Just got, you know, Coach Stu and myself, we are talking about courageous leadership.
Speaker B:And so we've been talking about it this episode as well as the previous one.
Speaker B:So you get a whole bunch of information when it comes to all this leadership stuff.
Speaker B:So we're going to pick up where we left off.
Speaker B:We talked about, given the gift of availability, having a willingness to suffer.
Speaker B:And a third topic that we're going to deal with now is developing the ability to stay focused.
Speaker B:That takes courage, quite frankly.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So you got.
Speaker B:If you're all over, willy nilly, your people will see this.
Speaker B:You know, it ain't going to work for you.
Speaker B:It isn't going to Work for them and it's going to eventually just implode on itself.
Speaker B:I've seen that happen lots of times, quite frankly.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker B:You know, and there's some things involved with that.
Speaker B:There's some little tips and nuggets that we can give you, you know, when it comes to that.
Speaker A:Yeah, you can.
Speaker A:I don't think I know how to do this very well, but we're going to encourage everybody to learn how to graciously say, no, no, it's just a two letter word.
Speaker B:It just, it's not complicated.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, if you can't do this, it, it makes it really hard to have breathing room.
Speaker B:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, good point.
Speaker A:I mean, to go back to one of the earlier points, it just really does.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And, and I know, you know, you have a good heart when you're saying yes, you want to help, you want to be there, you want to do it, you want, you know, they're asking you for a reason.
Speaker A:You're, you know, and you're honored by that.
Speaker A:But sometimes you're not, you're not helping them or yourself or other people.
Speaker A:Well, by saying, I think that there's.
Speaker B:A really great point that if you are so scattered and no breathing room, no, no, not even time to think and you're worn out and your health starts.
Speaker B:I mean, all this stuff goes together, right?
Speaker B:It's all holistic.
Speaker B:It's not courageous.
Speaker B:It's really kind of.
Speaker B:It takes more courage to say no because it, it matters and it makes a difference.
Speaker B:It's not because you just don't want to deal with it.
Speaker B:I want to watch.
Speaker B:Sit on the couch and eat potato chips and watch the game, you know?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:It's, it's literally that you will not serve yourself or others well.
Speaker B:If you just make yourself available to anything, you know, it just don't work.
Speaker A:And for any of you that were like me as a kid and this is what it was like, I'd be out all day playing, right?
Speaker A:I'd walk in the house, I literally all day, and the first thing I'd say to my mom is, man, there's nothing to do.
Speaker A:I just been out all day.
Speaker A:Like, this is, this is how I work.
Speaker A:If you're like that and you're going to say yes to things, right, then maybe you should learn to delegate, right?
Speaker A:Maybe delegate.
Speaker A:And there's another word that's important.
Speaker A:Delegate.
Speaker A:And trust in the delegation.
Speaker A:The delegation.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:You know, I mean, well, and if.
Speaker B:You can't do that, then you got to Back up a little bit here.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:If.
Speaker B:If you can't trust that when you delegate it's going to get done, or at least it's going to be moving forward, then there's another problem that you got to deal with and you got to.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:Hello?
Speaker B:Well, you know, put the brakes on and figure out what's going on there, because that's not good for anybody either.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So, you know, you probably have heard about this concept.
Speaker B:If you haven't, we're just going to hit the highlights.
Speaker B:But when you don't, the way that can.
Speaker B:You can yourself stay focused, let me put it that way, is to be conscious of the thing that years and years and years ago, they came out with this thing about called, you know, the tyranny of the urgent.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:And it's a four quadrant.
Speaker B:I mean, you know, you love to have the picture thing out there.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And basically just what it says is everything that you do, everything that you need to do, everything that's on your to do list falls in one of four categories.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So, you know, you've got the urgent but not important.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:You've got the important but not urgent.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:You've got the urgent and important, and you've got the not urgent and not important.
Speaker B:Now, that was.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That was a lot there.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And probably you were trying to follow us and all of that.
Speaker B:But the whole point of this thing, without getting into the weeds over it, is you've got to decide where these to do list items fall and then where to focus your attention on it so that you just don't run all kinds of rabbit trails.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:This is really helpful.
Speaker A:And if you put like your action items, let's call them in there, in these quadrants.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:What I've learned when I've done this is like, there's one quadrant that just gets overloaded, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:And it's always like the urgent and important for me, but.
Speaker A:But not always.
Speaker A:Sometimes it's some of the other ones.
Speaker A:But before I forget, Mac, you know, we should put this in the show notes, I think.
Speaker B:Yeah, we will.
Speaker A:A picture of it or a link to it so people can see what we're talking about.
Speaker A:But yeah, it's good to do that.
Speaker A:Have you ever done that when I was talking about.
Speaker B:Yeah, I put links and stuff like that.
Speaker A:No, no, I mean with.
Speaker A:With the quadrants, like.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:You know, like, take like some things that are on your list and then put them in these quadrants and See.
Speaker B:Well, Stephen Covey was kind of dealing with all that, you know, years and years ago.
Speaker B:But here's the thing.
Speaker B:Like Stu is saying, yes.
Speaker B:Initially, a lot of times you put it into the, you know, urgent, important.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And you, when you see that, I mean, it's a perfect example.
Speaker B:And you look at that thing and you go, are you kidding me?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:And there's where the leadership of yourself comes in.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Where you got to say, oh, no, I'm not putting that in that category.
Speaker B:I'm putting it down here.
Speaker B:And I'm putting this over there.
Speaker B:Putting this over there.
Speaker B:Because most of the time they really don't belong in that category.
Speaker B:It's just that was your default mode and you're going, you know, Mach 6 with your hair on fire all the time.
Speaker B:But you've got to learn to be able to delegate your to do list to the proper place so that you can be effective and not burn yourself out, you know?
Speaker A:Well, to put all these things in the proper perspective, like you said.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:You may not have even thought about it that way until you looked at them like this.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:I mean, yeah.
Speaker B:You know, it just.
Speaker B:We, we tend to just go with the squeaky wheel.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, that's just how we all operate.
Speaker B:And if there's way more squeaky wheels than you can handle, which is usually the case.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Then either you become overwhelmed by them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or you manage them and you lead courageously.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:There we go.
Speaker B:There's a nugget.
Speaker A:Great point.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:So how about there's, there's another concept we want to talk about.
Speaker A:And how about accepting the responsibility to grow?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And to grow.
Speaker A:Like, to me, this, this is kind of like personal growth, like self help, where you can cultivate greater emotional intelligence.
Speaker A:You know, you're, you're basically working on you.
Speaker A:You work on you.
Speaker A:You know, this is, to me, is very important for anybody that's in leadership.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:You know, they don't.
Speaker A:We, you know, anybody that's been a leader, you don't have it all figured out and you can't stop.
Speaker A:Like, I often wonder this, wonder about this with therapists, you know, do they work on themselves?
Speaker A:Like, if I'm going to a therapist.
Speaker B:Do they have a therapist?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Do they have it?
Speaker A:To me, that's important that they continue to work on yourself because things are always, you know, the world's changing, you're changing.
Speaker A:I mean, things aren't the same today as yesterday.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:So this is the same Thing in leadership.
Speaker A:Are you working on you?
Speaker A:To me, in my life, it's been important.
Speaker A:I've done a lot of this and I, I continue to do it.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, we go back to the being ineffective.
Speaker B:That was one of the things we talked about last week.
Speaker B:And sooner or later, if you don't take this to heart and youth, just cruise, you know, here I am, I've made it, and this is the deal, then eventually that's sustainable for whatever it is you're trying to do, or even your team for yourself, what.
Speaker B:Whatever it might be.
Speaker B:So, and here's what, we want to make a little bit of a distinction here.
Speaker B:Most of the people, most of the time, when you work for a company, you are going to go to meetings, you're going to go to seminars, you're going to go to talks, you're going to go to all kinds of different things.
Speaker B:And these are meant to help you grow.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And they're fine.
Speaker B:I'm not saying anything against them, but they're not enough.
Speaker B:Really, they're not.
Speaker B:Because, number one, they're pretty canned, they're pretty in a box kind of thing, and they can help.
Speaker B:But if you don't shatter the norm there and you don't think outside the box to help you, do you, then one size doesn't fit all, I guess.
Speaker B:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Well, we're all Mac, guess what, we're all exotic cocktails.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:We all have different needs.
Speaker A:You know, I mean, I've done, I've done seminars, workshops that have, or dealing with issues of the heart, you know, very emotional.
Speaker A:You know, I've done ones that are dealing with issues of my, my head, my brain, my mind, you know, and what that looks like, you know, so.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, there's depending on who you are and what your needs are.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:You know, there's, there's.
Speaker B:Yeah, you mean very broad.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, it doesn't fit into one category.
Speaker B:And I go back, you know, I've told you, you this, Stu knows this, and we've talked about it zillion times.
Speaker B:And the reason it's on my list is because I think it's so important.
Speaker B:And he's already mentioned it, but cultivate greater emotional intelligence.
Speaker B:Now we talk about root and fruit.
Speaker B:If you, if you don't know what I'm talking about, you got to go back and listen to our episode that we talk about that.
Speaker B:But, but, but essentially the root and fruit thing says if you have an apple tree and you cultivate its root it's going to produce apples.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:But if you focus on the apples and you neglect the root, you ain't going to have any apples.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So to me, that as a core root of your responsibility to grow and growing is to work on your emotional intelligence.
Speaker B:And there's lots of places you can go to look about that and look it up and all that.
Speaker B:But there are so many really cool components to that that if you commit to doing that.
Speaker B:I don't mean achieve it.
Speaker B:I'm just saying, just do what, what do we.
Speaker B:More than zero.
Speaker A:More than zero.
Speaker A:That's all you need is more than zero.
Speaker B:You will be amazed.
Speaker B:Because I love this.
Speaker B:To talk about this for years.
Speaker B:Then you just are.
Speaker A:You just are.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Just become.
Speaker A:You wake up one day and you just are.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You're just different.
Speaker B:And you can't put a finger on it.
Speaker B:You can't say, oh, well, I studied page 25 through 30 and look at this.
Speaker B:Now here I am.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:It didn't like, if you put in the work to your root, you will be absolutely amazed at what the fruit will get produced from that.
Speaker B:So I wanted to.
Speaker B:I just want to back up a little bit on that to say, don't go, don't go.
Speaker B:Bypass that step.
Speaker B:Believe me, if anything, get that one right, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker A:And if this sounds like a lot to everybody, Mac, just, you know, we talked about seminars and workshops, things like that.
Speaker A:Here's something you can do that'll help you grow.
Speaker A:It's just this simple.
Speaker A:Just have more conversations.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And in those conversations.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is coming from the master conversation.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:And here's.
Speaker A:Here's what makes it.
Speaker B:Here's.
Speaker A:Here's what, here's my, here's Stu's secret.
Speaker A:This is, this is a.
Speaker A:A Stewism, I guess, if you ask.
Speaker A:So what you do is ask open ended questions and then there's.
Speaker A:There's more to it.
Speaker A:Listen, I have, I have been told by people.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That I've met.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:I really had a great conversation with you.
Speaker A:Like, I, you know, let's chat again sometime.
Speaker A:And I walk away and I'm like, I said like three words in that whole conference.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker A:Maybe three sentences.
Speaker A:I asked like three questions.
Speaker A:And they talk and, and.
Speaker A:But that is, that's a great way for you to, to grow.
Speaker A:Because right when I tell my wrestlers this, when in the room, I'm like, if they're not listening, how are they going to learn anything?
Speaker A:Right, Right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Well, I think.
Speaker B:What is that at that you got two ears and you got what, one mouth?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's all.
Speaker A:Well, this is a good way to inspire people if you do this for sure.
Speaker A:You know, and to encourage them and show.
Speaker A:Show them, you know, how to be a good leader, a courageous leader.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker B:And what you definitely need to do is Stu.
Speaker B:Is explaining all this.
Speaker B:You have to apply Stuishness to this.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:We were talking about this this week, so that's a new coin phrase that we have now, Stuishness.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:And it's beautiful, man.
Speaker B:It's beautiful.
Speaker B:I love you for it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:You know, I appreciate that.
Speaker A:Sometimes it's hard for me to do it.
Speaker A:We were talking about that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it's mainly putting this stuff into practice is kind of what it is in your own way.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:With your own little flavor, because you're an exotic cocktail, just like, you know, everybody is.
Speaker B:And so your flavor in the conversation with, you know, with you.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's beautiful.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker A:You know, that's great.
Speaker B:Oh, so, yeah, accepting the responsibility to grow.
Speaker B:Pretty cool stuff, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Submit to a mentor, maybe, if that's applicable.
Speaker B:You have to humble yourself to somebody else to help you, you know, get better.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I think it always is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, we can always learn and.
Speaker A:And get new information from somebody else's perspective.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, but you have to overcome some.
Speaker B:Some things within yourself to submit yourself to somebody, even if, you know, they know more than you do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:Not natural for a lot of people to say.
Speaker B:Okay, I'm listening.
Speaker B:All right, you'll meet.
Speaker B:Okay, That's a good nugget.
Speaker B:Okay, I'm gonna go do it.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker A:Well, if you want to grow.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Allow that water to be poured on you because you need it to grow.
Speaker B:Oh, the roots.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I love that, man.
Speaker B:Root and fruit.
Speaker B:There it is.
Speaker B:Well, there you have it, gang.
Speaker B:I mean, we fire hosed you a little bit.
Speaker B:We always try, you know, we do that pretty much always anyway.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, rewind, start it again, listen to it again, go back to last, you know, episode, put it all together.
Speaker B:But I really, really, really think that you can.
Speaker B:Well, not just think.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I know that you can pull something out of these two episodes that can certainly help you be more courageous.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:When it comes to just being you as well as helping others.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because that's really what leadership is.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's taking your Abilities, your experience, you know, your gift of your time and helping lifting other people up while you're at it.
Speaker B:I mean it's.
Speaker B:It can't, it can't be isolated.
Speaker B:It can't be all about you.
Speaker B:We talk about the me and the we.
Speaker B:So I hope this helps.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean I hope it helps.
Speaker B:But you know, we have to challenge everybody like we always do.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Every week.
Speaker B:Every week.
Speaker B:Here we are with our Mi5.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:So your mission, should you choose to accept it and that we really have been talking about that a lot.
Speaker B:You gotta accept it.
Speaker B:You gotta roll your sleeves up.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Bottom line, decide to think differently because it's gonna take you out of your norm.
Speaker B:It is gonna take you to a place where you gotta go someplace you haven't gone before.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:And then as we talk about, we talked about it in this episode, you gotta find others.
Speaker B:You gotta find the like minded.
Speaker B:Now here's what that means too.
Speaker B:We don't talk about this a lot.
Speaker B:You're finding the like mind.
Speaker B:Mind is you're not trying to convince somebody to be a like minded.
Speaker A:Good point.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they will come.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:You can't force anything in this whole deal, right?
Speaker B:And then what you do is you strap on the armor as we call it.
Speaker B:And that's basically the truth that you know to hold it loosely enough.
Speaker B:So if you have to have to change some of the armor, you can.
Speaker B:But for now, for this, this moment, you ground yourself in what you know to be true.
Speaker B:You do it in love and you move on.
Speaker B:You know, Then you got to storm the gates.
Speaker B:And it starts with you.
Speaker B:You gotta storm your own gates of stinking thinkin, as the Rev would say, right.
Speaker B:You've gotta do a work on yourself in order to then help storm the gates of others ignorance.
Speaker B:And I say that in the process, not demeaningly.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:You just don't know.
Speaker B:I just don't know.
Speaker B:You're ignorant of it.
Speaker B:You can be able to down some of those barriers that are holding yourself and others together the best you can.
Speaker B:And if you do those, 1, 2, 3, 4, then you get to unleash the unthinkable.
Speaker A:Yes sir.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:So there we are.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Another episode in the bank again Mr.
Speaker B:Rev.
Speaker B:But he'll be back with us next episode.
Speaker B:Right Stu?
Speaker A:Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Good stuff.
Speaker B:So thank you my brother.
Speaker B:It's always fun to be here, to just learn together as well as share some of the nuggets.
Speaker B:It's always fun.
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Speaker B:And we do appreciate it.
Speaker B:So have a great week and we'll see on the flip side.
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