Beyond Quick Fixes: Cultivating Your Roots
This podcast delves into the profound connection between our roots and the fruits we bear in life. The discussion emphasizes that without nurturing our foundational beliefs and spiritual practices—the roots—achieving fulfilling outcomes or personal growth—the fruits—becomes nearly impossible. With humor and insight, the hosts explore how expectations shape our experiences, particularly in familial and relational contexts. They highlight the importance of self-examination and the willingness to do the necessary inner work to cultivate a fruitful life. As they draw parallels between nature and personal development, listeners are encouraged to reflect on their own roots and how nurturing them can lead to a more abundant and joyful existence.
Exploring the profound connection between our inner spiritual roots and the external fruits of our lives, this podcast episode presents a compelling discussion on the importance of nurturing our foundational beliefs. The hosts—Mac, Rev, and Coach Stu—dive deep into the metaphor of a tree, where the roots symbolize our core spiritual practices and the fruits represent the outcomes of our actions and attitudes. The conversation starts with a thoughtful reflection on how a strong spiritual foundation is essential for producing meaningful and abundant fruit in our lives. Without attending to these roots, the hosts assert, our lives can become unfruitful, lacking in the joy and love we seek.
Throughout the episode, the Wise Guys engage in lively banter and share personal anecdotes that highlight the cultural challenges we face in cultivating our spiritual lives. They critique the societal tendency for quick fixes and immediate results, advocating instead for a more deliberate and thoughtful approach to spiritual growth. The humor interspersed throughout their conversation makes complex ideas accessible, encouraging listeners to enjoy the process of self-discovery while recognizing the hard work required. The hosts emphasize that true happiness and fulfillment stem from a deep connection to one’s spiritual roots, prompting listeners to reflect on their own journeys and the quality of the fruits they bear.
As the dialogue progresses, the hosts delve into the theme of self-reflection, encouraging listeners to confront past wounds and beliefs that may hinder their growth. They highlight the importance of examining our core beliefs and how they shape our perceptions and experiences. The episode culminates with an empowering message: by dedicating time and energy to nurture one’s spiritual roots, individuals can experience a profound transformation that leads to a more fruitful life. The Wise Guys leave their audience with a challenge to dig deep within themselves, fostering an environment where the fruits of love, compassion, and joy can flourish.
Takeaways:
- The spiritual body is the root of our existence, where God resides and nourishes us.
- Without God, all aspects of our being, including the mental and emotional bodies, wither away.
- Expectations should be aligned with a willingness to engage in foundational work for growth.
- Darkness plays a crucial role in nurturing our roots before we can bear fruit.
- Cultivating good roots is essential for producing healthy and abundant fruit in life.
- Personal growth requires conscious effort and self-examination to overcome limiting beliefs.
Transcript
Then you get to the root, which is the spiritual body.
Mac:That's where God exists.
Mac:That's where God is being fed.
Rev:Wow.
Coach Stu:Ooh, I like that.
Mac:I like that.
Coach Stu:I don't think I've ever heard that, but I like that.
Rev:You had to rewind that a little bit, Rogers, and kind of just get that in your head right there.
Rev:That was really good, Rev, man.
Rev:I love that.
Mac:Without God, the tree dies.
Mac:The mental body, all the other bodies just die.
Rev:Right?
Mac:But God lives by itself.
Mac:You live as a spirit, by yourself.
Narrator:And all that's a taste of unveiling expectations, the root of our fruit.
Narrator:This week episode of the Wise Guys, a podcast that unleashes the unthinkable in culture, religion, business, and everyday life.
Narrator:This week, the guys will relate our expectations to our degree of willingness to do the foundational work.
Narrator:So it's time to step over the line, strap in and see if you are willing to let Mac the Rev and Coach Stu take you to a place of thinking differently.
Rev:Welcome to the Wise Guys podcast, where we unleash the unthinkable, step over the line to help us see things differently and go to the inside edge.
Rev:Hi, I'm Mac and I'm your host.
Rev:And in this episode, we're going to talk about expectations, which we all have, correct about all kinds of different things.
Rev:It's about prudence, though.
Rev:It's about trust in the unseen and natural laws and the confidence that you have in your process, but not in quick fixes.
Rev:And that's what our culture loves to.
Rev:Loves to go for the quick fixes.
Rev:But we're going to just, you know, we're going to kind of dis that a little bit tonight.
Rev:Yep.
Rev:Going to be honest with you, but here we are once again.
Rev:Got my Wise Guys, man.
Rev:All right, Rev.
Mac:Good to see you, brother.
Mac:Love to be playing in the unseen.
Rev:Oh, yeah, the mystery, right?
Rev:That Stardust coast, too.
Coach Stu:Hey, guys.
Rev:The coaches in the house, man.
Coach Stu:So good to see you.
Coach Stu:I love both you guys sitting here at the Round Table.
Coach Stu:And hello and welcome to all of you beautiful, exotic cocktails out there.
Coach Stu:You're.
Coach Stu:You're metaphorically with us at the Round Table.
Coach Stu:I love it.
Rev:We love it.
Rev:That's it.
Coach Stu:We feel you.
Coach Stu:We hear you.
Rev:Thanks.
Rev:Thanks for listening.
Rev:We love having you with us.
Rev:And we really always, as always, hope that we're imparting some value into your life.
Rev:You know, as entertaining as we are, we hope there's some value there.
Rev:Okay, so.
Coach Stu:So tonight, they're all going to learn how the fruit in their exotic cocktail.
Coach Stu:Got.
Rev:That's right.
Coach Stu:Right.
Rev:Yeah.
Coach Stu:Because everybody is unique.
Rev:So I'm going to get to this.
Coach Stu:Yep.
Coach Stu:I know, I know.
Coach Stu:I'm jumping way ahead.
Mac:He's pushing you.
Rev:He's getting me along the line.
Rev:So.
Rev:So here's a scoop, though.
Rev:The fruit, Right?
Rev:So we all just went through Thanksgiving.
Rev:Everybody, at least in America.
Coach Stu:I ate a lot of food.
Rev:We just did.
Rev:Everybody ate and they drank and they, you know, made Mary.
Rev:Mary and all that.
Rev:And Natalie, my wife, she says, okay, all good.
Rev:All good.
Rev:I'm glad we did it.
Rev:We had fun.
Rev:She says, but, you know, we're going to have to get a little more fruits and vegetables in our diet.
Rev:And I kind of looked at her like, huh?
Rev:What are you talking about?
Rev:I do that already.
Rev:She says, come on now.
Rev:Look at what we've eaten over the weekend.
Rev:And I said, no, no, no, no.
Rev:I said, here's the way I look at it.
Rev:When I drink my old Fashioned, the bourbon.
Rev:What's a bourbon made out of?
Rev:Corn?
Coach Stu:Mm.
Coach Stu:Yep.
Rev:There's a vegetable.
Coach Stu:Yeah.
Rev:And I get some.
Mac:How did that fly?
Rev:Well, I get two or three bing cherries in my drink as well.
Coach Stu:There's some fruit.
Rev:Hello.
Mac:I get a little fruit, get a.
Rev:Little corn, get a little fruit.
Rev:She looked at me like, that ain't flying, buddy.
Rev:Okay.
Rev:You guys both know her.
Rev:And so that wasn't going anywhere.
Rev:But I tried, right?
Coach Stu:That was a good.
Mac:I have to say that my favorite dish on Thanksgiving, though, is the green bean casserole.
Rev:Oh.
Mac:It's always turkey go.
Mac:But I want to smother it and gravy.
Coach Stu:Yeah, I love it, too.
Rev:Well, we just can be decadent, and we get the permission to do it, So I love it.
Rev:Okay.
Rev:It was really good.
Rev:So there was that.
Rev:All right.
Rev:But now we get to move into some of the fun thing that we love to do every week.
Rev:And that's the words to the wise.
Rev:Yes.
Rev:Right.
Rev:And those.
Rev:If you haven't listened to us before or if you have whatever.
Rev:We take church signs, we just take them and we just.
Rev:I get to look through several of them, and I'll stick them in the folder and pick one out.
Rev:And so this one fits the season without a doubt, as we're kind of entering into this Advent and Christmas season.
Rev:Right.
Rev:So here's the sign, and we're going to.
Rev:And we vote.
Mac:Cue the angel music.
Rev:Yeah, we need.
Coach Stu:We need a theme for this.
Coach Stu:We need a theme music.
Rev:I'm going to work on that.
Coach Stu:Okay.
Rev:I promise.
Rev:So here's the sign, here's what it says.
Rev:If Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Rev:All right.
Rev:If Mary is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is the Lamb of God, does that mean that Mary had a little lamb?
Rev:Very clever.
Rev:Very clever.
Coach Stu:That would have made me chuckle if I drove by this sign.
Rev:Exactly.
Coach Stu:I probably would have stopped and took a picture.
Rev:Somebody did.
Rev:Because it was somebody.
Coach Stu:Somebody did.
Rev:Somebody did.
Rev:So.
Rev:So what are you thinking, guys?
Coach Stu:I appreciate the humor.
Coach Stu:Because you know what?
Coach Stu:God can handle our humor.
Rev:Yes.
Coach Stu:You know, so, I mean, so I'm gonna give it.
Coach Stu:So we're rating it, right?
Rev:Yeah, yeah.
Coach Stu:Okay.
Rev:We go negative three to positive three.
Coach Stu:Yeah, you know me, I'm going to two.
Coach Stu:Cause I liked it and I thought it was fun and funny.
Coach Stu:And I think that God has a big smile whenever we're enjoying ourselves and having fun.
Rev:Okay, Totally agree.
Mac:I'm gonna see your two and raise you one more.
Mac:You're solid.
Mac:Solid three.
Mac:You know, I think the religious world.
Mac:I want to go to this church because they're probably enjoying their spirituality.
Mac:They're having fun with their journey back home and their journey to God, and they're dancing with God.
Mac:I love that.
Rev:I do, too.
Mac:Total three.
Coach Stu:Yeah, I hear you.
Rev:I mean, you know, and absolutely.
Rev:God has a sense of humor.
Rev:Look at the platypus.
Rev:Right.
Rev:You know, the aardvark.
Coach Stu:That's right.
Rev:Or whatever.
Mac:You know, what would you consider?
Mac:What if God is humor itself?
Mac:If God does not humor us, but God is just laughing.
Mac:I'm having the direct experience of God when I'm laughing and I'm smiling.
Mac:I think it's very joy.
Mac:I think that's it.
Mac:Joy is the infallible sign of the presence of God.
Rev:There it is.
Mac:I'm going to call it.
Coach Stu:There we go.
Rev:Categorize.
Rev:And it just.
Rev:God is.
Rev:Yeah, right.
Rev:I love that.
Mac:What do you give it?
Rev:So I get a vote?
Rev:Yeah, I got a vote.
Rev:And I'm there at the plus three as well, because again, just very similar to what you guys are saying here.
Rev:I love this kind of attitude.
Rev:That's just joyous.
Rev:That's just.
Rev:Let's just have some fun with this whole thing.
Mac:So between us, that's an eight.
Mac:That's our biggest score today.
Rev:It is.
Rev:I know.
Rev:Yeah.
Rev:I mean, I really do enjoy this kind of thing where people don't get so wrapped around the axle over the dogma and the theology and beating people over the head.
Rev:Maybe with the Bible or what.
Rev:Whatever.
Rev:Whatever.
Rev:And I don't even know their internal theology or what this church Even ultimately.
Rev:But they're.
Rev:They're having fun with.
Mac:You know, the Hindus have a term called leela, and that's God's playground.
Rev:That.
Mac:This is God's playground.
Rev:Yeah.
Mac:I think when you become like a child and play on the playground a little.
Rev:Absolutely.
Rev:Yeah.
Coach Stu:We forget that as adults.
Rev:Yes.
Rev:We.
Coach Stu:We forget to play daily and to have fun.
Rev:Yeah.
Rev:No, this is.
Rev:So we're.
Rev:We're opening this up.
Coach Stu:We're saying it's okay to have fun.
Coach Stu:Yes.
Rev:All right.
Rev:Have more fun, Rose.
Rev:All right, so we are talking this episode about the concept of root and fruit, right?
Rev:And so that idea comes in, whatever picture might come to your mind when we say those two words.
Rev:Probably a tree, but, you know, bush, whatever.
Rev:But, you know, a plant or whatever has ups above and below for.
Rev:Again, I'm just being general here, because I know there's exceptions to all of this, but we've got a growth that's supported by roots.
Rev:All right?
Rev:And let's just kind of keep it simple.
Mac:All right?
Rev:And so, you know, you try to say, well, let's just foundationally set this and say, well, what are roots?
Rev:Right?
Rev:So in the definition of a root, you know, they're usually underground, and they function as an organ of absorption, aeration, food storage, and anchorage or support.
Rev:So think how important that is foundationally to any plant that it's feeding and it's everything.
Mac:A tree cannot live without a root.
Mac:A root can live without the tree.
Rev:But that's true.
Mac:The tree dies without the root.
Mac:What's the most important part of it?
Rev:A little insight.
Rev:Okay.
Mac:I like to look at a tree as you've got the outer part, the leaves and the fruit.
Mac:That's the physical body.
Mac:You follow the branch, that's the mental body.
Mac:You're getting closer back to home.
Mac:Then you've got the trunk, which is the emotional body.
Mac:Then you get to the root, which is the spiritual body.
Mac:That's where God exists.
Mac:That's where God is being fed.
Coach Stu:Ooh, I like that.
Rev:I like that.
Coach Stu:I don't think I've ever heard that, but I like that.
Rev:You ought to rewind that a little bit, Rogers, and kind of just get that in your head right there.
Rev:That was really good, Rev.
Rev:Man, I love that.
Mac:Without God, the tree dies.
Mac:Mental body, all the other bodies just die.
Rev:Right.
Mac:But God lives by itself.
Mac:You live as a spirit, by yourself, without all the other.
Coach Stu:I love that.
Rev:All right, so we've got the root, that core foundational thing that without there is no life.
Rev:Right, Right.
Rev:Okay.
Rev:So then we have the product of.
Rev:It feeds a plant, it feeds a tree, it feeds a seed bearing some sort of plant.
Rev:Right.
Rev:And so then you have what we'll call the fruit.
Rev:All right?
Rev:You can put a lot of different stuff on that, but, you know, the product of it.
Rev:All right?
Rev:And so that can go lots of different ways.
Rev:I mean, you know, depending upon what the root looks like and how it's tended and how it's taken care of and how it grows and what soil it's in.
Rev:And all that good kind of stuff determines not only what kind of fruit categorically it produces, but how healthy is it?
Rev:Does it taste good or is it rotten?
Rev:Does it.
Rev:I mean, again, you have this idea in mind, an expectation of good fruit.
Rev:But have we done the right work ahead of time?
Rev:We think that we're going to get.
Mac:That which is in the darkness is feeding that which is in the light.
Mac:And we've got that so backwards.
Mac:We're so all about the light, the light, the light.
Mac:But maybe it's the mystery and the womb of creation, where God exists, the darkness, where the true goodness happens.
Rev:Oh, I want to drop the mic right there, man.
Rev:Oh, my gosh.
Rev:I love that, Rev.
Mac:Well, it's scary, but you know what?
Mac:Why do we close our eyes when we pray?
Rev:Yeah.
Mac:There's darkness.
Mac:Why is it in the most sacred moment of a kiss, we close our eyes?
Mac:We're going to the darkness.
Mac:We're getting to the root, to that which is the most important.
Rev:Oh, think about that for a second, gang.
Rev:We're going to have to flesh that out a little bit.
Rev:All right?
Rev:The role that the darkness plays in all of this.
Mac:Oh, the seed is in the darkness.
Mac:In order to become the magnificent tree, it's got to be in the darkness first.
Rev:Yeah.
Rev:It's going to get nurtured and grow and become itself more in that womb, in that darkness.
Mac:Then it welcomes the light.
Mac:Cart before the horse, maybe.
Mac:We were so concerned about the external and the light.
Rev:Yeah.
Mac:We've forgotten the darkness is important.
Rev:Oh, man.
Rev:Oh, love it, love it, love it.
Rev:So there you go.
Rev:All right.
Rev:That this is all maybe new for me.
Rev:I love that perspective.
Rev:Okay.
Rev:I didn't really ever look at it that way.
Coach Stu:I haven't either.
Coach Stu:This is new for me.
Rev:Very cool.
Rev:So there we are.
Rev:So we're going to talk about the root and the fruit.
Rev:All right.
Rev:And so one of the examples that I love, I've used this for years and years and years.
Rev:It comes out of Galatians.
Rev:Right.
Rev:And so Paul wrote it.
Rev:If you're anywhere around the Bible.
Rev:And here's the thing, you know, a guy named Paul wrote this, and it's in the Bible, but it's certainly not exclusive to Christianity, you know, So I don't want to get the idea that we're sharing an idea here that's just exclusive to the Bible or if you're a Christian.
Rev:That's not, that's not the case at all.
Mac:It's spiritual principle is exactly found everywhere.
Rev:We're going to just use it as an example that can be applied across the board.
Rev:All right.
Mac:And Paul's so entertaining anyway.
Rev:Well, he's, you know, so this is coming out of Galatians, and if you've never, if you, if you're a Bible person out there and, you know, you read the Bible and you probably have your favorite, you know, version or translation of the Bible, right?
Rev:This comes out of the message.
Rev:Peterson does a great job in these passage.
Rev:I think if you never read, if you don't even like the message you get, just go out there to BibleGateway.com or whatever and click on the message and just read these verses from the message.
Rev:All right, so here's what he says in Galatians 5.
Rev:And I'm just kind of cherry, cherry picking.
Coach Stu:Oh, here we go.
Rev:Hello.
Rev:I am so sharp.
Mac:Back to his drink.
Rev:Yeah, so here it is out of verse 16.
Rev:And this would be the root in this chapter.
Rev:Be animated and directed by the Spirit.
Rev:This is Paul's advice to the Galatians.
Rev:He gives them this advice.
Rev:And if that's where it stopped, I mean, it's good advice, right?
Rev:Be animated, directed by the spirit.
Rev:You kind of got to think, well, how do I do that and all that?
Rev:But he's going to tie together.
Rev:He's going to say, well, if you do that, the root, if you cultivate that, then here's what can happen in your life.
Rev:All right, he goes on, he says, but what happens when we live God's way?
Rev:That root, you know, how is it that we produce a fruit?
Rev:What does it look like in our lives?
Rev:He says he God brings gifts into our lives much the same way that fruit appears in an orchard.
Rev:So now you just put, get it in your mind, a peach tree, right, that has this just beautiful fruit, just pulling the limbs down, right?
Rev:Things like affection for others, exuberance about life and serenity.
Rev:We develop a willingness to stick with things, a sense of compassion in the heart, and a conviction that a basic holiness permeates things and people.
Rev:We find Ourselves involved in loyal commitments, not needing to force our way in life, and able to marshal and direct our energies.
Rev:Wisely with.
Rev:A Z.
Rev:Right.
Rev:Okay.
Coach Stu:Wisely with.
Mac:Start the bidding at $200 for that kind of life.
Coach Stu:I'll take it.
Coach Stu:I'll take it.
Rev:See, this is so beautiful, though.
Rev:I mean, it can be again, applied all across the spectrum.
Rev:If you have the proper cultivation and the work put into the root, it will produce according to its kind.
Rev:And I want a life like that.
Coach Stu:Oh, for sure.
Mac:How many.
Mac:We all want that kind of life.
Mac:How many of us are willing to cultivate that kind of.
Rev:There it is.
Rev:Okay.
Rev:Hello.
Rev:Right.
Rev:This kind of life just doesn't automatically happen.
Coach Stu:Right, right.
Rev:It doesn't.
Rev:You may get some little snippets maybe of this every once in a while.
Rev:I'm not trying to say you can' but if you're going to have a life, a fruit, the life that looks like this, you're going to have to.
Mac:You mean you're telling me it's not enough to just want it?
Coach Stu:Yeah.
Mac:It's not enough to just ask for it or pray about it.
Mac:I got to do some work.
Coach Stu:Rev, you can't just go down the aisle five and pick it off the shelf.
Coach Stu:Here we go.
Coach Stu:I now have Blue Light Special.
Mac:In Heaven.
Coach Stu:Blue Light Special.
Coach Stu:I now have Compassion.
Coach Stu:Where's the aisle?
Coach Stu:For love.
Coach Stu:I need some of that.
Rev:Yeah, I better probably pick up about four or five containers.
Rev:All right.
Rev:Yeah, gang.
Rev:It doesn't work this way.
Rev:And.
Rev:But here's the funny thing you're going to say to me right now.
Rev:You're going to say to us, I just said that to you.
Rev:And you know what you're going to say?
Rev:I know that.
Rev:Well, of course it doesn't.
Rev:I know that.
Rev:And yet, if you start to peel back your own onion and really look into your life, you know, it's funny.
Mac:Is that really onion is a root vegetable.
Mac:That's right.
Rev:That's true.
Rev:It's under the ground.
Mac:Yes, it's under the ground, but you got to peel it back.
Mac:And how many.
Mac:Let's be honest, I have to consciously examine how I'm buying into the Western culture.
Mac:The culture that we have is I want it and I want it now, I want it yesterday, and I really don't want to work at it.
Mac:As I peel my own onion back, I can fall into the trap of everybody else wanting all the good but not willing to work for it.
Rev:Right.
Mac:I'm there sometimes.
Rev:Well, yeah, I think we all get there.
Mac:Well.
Coach Stu:And if you do that.
Coach Stu:The.
Coach Stu:The fruit will not taste as sweet.
Coach Stu:It just won't.
Coach Stu:I mean, love that.
Rev:Yeah.
Coach Stu:Yeah.
Coach Stu:I mean, when you are putting the work in, it's the same thing in anything you do.
Coach Stu:Sports, life, relationships.
Coach Stu:Right, right.
Coach Stu:You put the work in, it's all the sweeter.
Mac:I found that in college.
Mac:In college, that the students that I was there with that had it all paid for, mom and dad were footing the bill, getting the car.
Mac:Everything was paid for.
Mac:They dropped out of school.
Mac:And those that were having to work, I had to work in college.
Rev:Oh, ye.
Mac:And I appreciated that.
Mac:And I did not give up on it.
Rev:Right.
Mac:So I think there's something to that.
Mac:It tasted sweeter.
Mac:My education was sweeter.
Rev:Well, yes.
Rev:And I think what we're saying here is that in proportion to.
Rev:So in other words, you can.
Rev:You can put in some work.
Rev:Okay.
Rev:You can, you know, you can play at it a little bit.
Rev:You can kind of just, you know, move some stuff around from A to B and that could be a little work.
Rev:But again, the fruit that it's going to produce is going to be, you know, in proportion.
Rev:And when you get into God's economy, everything just goes wacky crazy anyway.
Rev:But I'm just saying you can have little degrees of stuff that might come into your life.
Rev:And so you might get some little tiny peaches.
Rev:They might taste okay, but they're going to be really small.
Mac:There's a causal relationship there.
Rev:Yeah.
Mac:If the cause is the work and the preparing the soil, if you will, the amount of effort I put into it is the amount of the good I'm going to have on the.
Rev:Well, that's right.
Rev:Yeah.
Rev:You can't expect to be, you know, a great wrestler.
Rev:We got coach.
Rev:We got the coach in the house here with a little bit of work.
Coach Stu:A lot of work.
Rev:It takes a lot years and years and years.
Rev:It's way more.
Rev:Right.
Rev:So you can stop this process anywhere along the line that you want, if you're okay with or if you're satisfied with, or if your expectation is little tiny fruit on the tree.
Rev:Now, I'm not going to judge that.
Rev:Nobody's sitting around.
Mac:Well, let me tell you, I want all my Georgian friends to come out to California and taste a real peach.
Mac:They call this the peach state.
Mac:You guys haven't had peaches like they have in California.
Mac:They are dripping as you eat them.
Rev:Yes.
Coach Stu:Must be the good soil out there.
Mac:Right.
Mac:It's like, well, I'm happy with the peach here.
Mac:It's no big deal.
Mac:But once You've tasted it and it's like, holy moly.
Mac:This is what a real peach tastes like.
Mac:It tastes like.
Mac:I want to work towards getting that.
Mac:So I just phoned my mom and say, mom, send me some peaches out here to Georgia.
Rev:Put them in a box and send them on.
Rev:Oh, I love that.
Rev:That's again, it's all.
Rev:You can't circumvent the process here, gang.
Rev:It just doesn't work.
Mac:Well, you got to start with preparing the soil, you know, that's working itself.
Mac:There's nothing.
Mac:There's nothing to show in the world of effects at this point.
Mac:I'm just going to prepare the soil.
Mac:What is the soil?
Mac:It's consciousness.
Mac:It's what's going on between your ears.
Mac:The mental work is important, right?
Rev:That's right.
Rev:And again, it's.
Rev:We all know this.
Rev:We all know that little bits of work produces little bits of results.
Rev:I mean, we know this intuitively, even between our ears.
Rev:But when it really flushes itself out in our life, we don't practice it enough.
Mac:It's like a great vending machine.
Mac:We've treated life like a mediocrity in, mediocrity out, and then we kick the machine.
Mac:Why am I not getting more than mediocrity?
Mac:Because you're not putting it in.
Mac:It's one thing to know, it.
Mac:It's another to actually act upon most.
Rev:Like the gumball machine.
Rev:We use this example for years and years and years, right?
Rev:You put the quarter in, you put the coin in, you turn the crank, and what do you get?
Rev:You just get the little thing.
Rev:If you keep putting in the same quarters and the same amount of money, you're going to get the same thing.
Rev:I mean, it.
Rev:It.
Rev:You know, the view is never going to change if you just play at it, I guess is the point.
Rev:Right?
Rev:So we have this myopic vision in our culture.
Rev:I think we just live this way, you know, that the short term is way more important to us than the long term because we can realize the results much faster.
Rev:And they're going to be anemic mediocrity, just like the Rev was saying, they'll be much more anemic than if we're willing to put in the longer amount of time and cultivate it properly and develop a sense that we're going to get over time.
Rev:And this isn't easy.
Coach Stu:Well, the one thing that I've learned is if you focus on the fruit, it's like watching a pot of water boil, right?
Coach Stu:Like it never happens.
Coach Stu:Like I don't know how that works, but there's some science behind it.
Coach Stu:But it never happens, right?
Coach Stu:So.
Coach Stu:But if you're, if you're just watching the fruit like it's.
Coach Stu:Instead of.
Coach Stu:So here's the other option, right?
Coach Stu:I'm focusing on the root, you know, and if we're talking about, you know, personal growth or something, you know, behavior, maybe something like that, you might go into, like, your core beliefs, your mindset, that kind of thing, right?
Coach Stu:If I'm focusing, yeah, that's the soil, right.
Coach Stu:If you're focusing on that.
Coach Stu:And let's, you know, let's say in the back of your mind, you know, I want to be more compassionate, more patient, all those things, right.
Coach Stu:One day you just wake up and you just.
Coach Stu:Are these things, right?
Coach Stu:You don't have to think about it.
Coach Stu:It's not like, okay, I did all this work and now I am patient.
Coach Stu:You know, it doesn't work that way.
Rev:Right.
Coach Stu:It's all matter of fact, you.
Coach Stu:The way it works for me, I normally see it kind of in arrears.
Coach Stu:It's like all of a sudden I've spent a couple of weeks being that way.
Coach Stu:And then it hits me like, oh, wow.
Coach Stu:Like I'm.
Coach Stu:I'm more compassionate or I'm more loving.
Coach Stu:Whatever.
Coach Stu:Whatever it is I'm.
Coach Stu:I was trying to get to.
Coach Stu:I just am those things.
Coach Stu:And all of a sudden I real.
Coach Stu:I, you know, God nudges me and says, hey, guess what?
Coach Stu:You know, well, you're being.
Coach Stu:You've arrived.
Coach Stu:You're kinder.
Rev:Yeah.
Rev:You're being animated and directed by the spirit.
Coach Stu:Right.
Mac:Well, and I think because you're in the spiritual realm, you're just being kind.
Mac:You're being kind, you're being patient.
Mac:You're not doing it to get a result.
Mac:You're not doing it for the.
Mac:To get those or the payoff.
Mac:You're just being organically who God chose to be as you.
Mac:And that is absolutely a spiritual reality.
Mac:It has nothing to do with this illusory world that we live in.
Mac:But you are going to wake up.
Mac:But it's because having that immediate boop, you know, the light bulb goes off.
Mac:Because the light bulb was not why you were doing it.
Mac:It was getting in touch with who God just chose to do business as you.
Coach Stu:You know what I hope happens for people when they start thinking about this and they start doing all these things we're talking about, I really hope one of the things that happens is all of a sudden they become aware one day and say, man, I'm really happy right now.
Coach Stu:I mean, right now we don't have a lot of that.
Coach Stu:I mean, and I'm not saying the whole world is in the sadness zone, but it's.
Coach Stu:I mean, you know, a lot of people are operating on such a fast pace, they forget or miss being happy.
Coach Stu:It's like, it's a blur going by them.
Coach Stu:I'm like, settle, you know, stop for a moment.
Coach Stu:Be present.
Coach Stu:Don't think about the past, don't think about what's coming up.
Coach Stu:Enjoy something right now.
Mac:Yeah.
Coach Stu:And feel happy.
Mac:I have more moments like that in my life and I'm going to just a couple of analogies that I learned.
Mac:One was my grandmother.
Mac:Sometimes you have to just get into whatever route you've got it and pull it up like a weed.
Mac:If all you're producing in your life is unhappiness, it's weeds.
Mac:You got to get down to the root and completely get it out and plant something.
Coach Stu:Start over again.
Mac:That's good.
Mac:Let go, start again.
Rev:Right.
Coach Stu:That's good.
Mac:And the other is, sometimes you just take.
Mac:Why is this plant not blooming?
Mac:Why is it not producing fruit?
Mac:Put it in a different container, dig it up.
Mac:Which doesn't make sense.
Mac:I got to dig up.
Mac:This is the self examination.
Rev:Right, right.
Mac:There it is going to dig it up and then put it somewhere else.
Coach Stu:Yeah.
Mac:Put it where it's a better environment.
Mac:And I've had times in my life where I got more happy because I simply transplanted my thoughts, I transplanted my feelings, I even transplanted my body to a new place, a different environment, a different group of people I was surrounding myself with.
Mac:And then I could bloom.
Coach Stu:So that's a really great point.
Coach Stu:Maybe your root is fine, but it's just not in the right soil.
Coach Stu:It's not in nurturing enough soil, enough nutrients, so to speak.
Rev:And it takes some time.
Rev:I mean, you planted it in wherever it was to start with.
Rev:And as you're going through this process, process, you heighten your level of discernment, you heighten your level of, you know, expectation and all that.
Rev:And so you're able to realize, okay, that served me to this point.
Rev:It got me this big.
Rev:Or it did it.
Rev:Now it's time to come over here so that I can thrive even.
Mac:I started a lemon tree once in a 4 inch pot and it grew and it did really well.
Mac:And then it didn't do really well.
Mac:You had to put it in an 8 inch pot.
Rev:Yeah.
Mac:Eventually it was in a 6 foot container and then the Lemon tree just exploded.
Rev:Exactly.
Mac:But you had it had to constantly expand the container, right?
Coach Stu:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mac:See there, Transplanting is a good thing.
Rev:Absolutely.
Rev:You know, then I think you, if that's happening, you know, you're on the right path.
Rev:Okay.
Rev:Let me just say this is a litmus test that says, am I expanding my consciousness?
Rev:Am I expanding?
Mac:So is the container, Is there a religious container?
Mac:Container that's a 2 inch pot.
Mac:Is there religious thinking on the planet that I can't expand it because I need a bigger pot?
Mac:But no, this is the religion, the environment.
Mac:Or the environment or the family or the job.
Rev:Right.
Mac:Or the relationship.
Mac:That's a two inch pot and I need a six foot so I can bloom.
Rev:Yep.
Mac:So the root's good, but it's not going to produce fruit unless you expand the container.
Rev:Well, there's very good.
Coach Stu:I think we're going down the same road, ref.
Coach Stu:Last week we were in the same boat.
Coach Stu:I think today we're going down the same road.
Coach Stu:So.
Coach Stu:And it.
Coach Stu:And it's it.
Coach Stu:And I'll just remind everybody, like, what you're talking about, Rev, is like maybe you had an experience as a child or you were taught certain things when you were younger that you didn't re explore.
Coach Stu:So maybe the soil that your morals, whatever your behavior, all that is in maybe is different as a child than it would be as an adult.
Coach Stu:If you re explore that, then it's kind of the re planning process you're talking about.
Rev:Exactly.
Mac:Paul talks about that too.
Coach Stu:Yeah, yeah.
Rev:So lots of great analogies here.
Rev:Right.
Rev:You can kind of see where we're going.
Rev:And hopefully some of this stuff resonates with you that you have to, you, you got to remove the blinders, you got to start thinking in greater ways and see in the darkness.
Rev:I love that.
Rev:Even when you're pulling up the weeds, where do you got to go to Poloida.
Mac:Yep.
Rev:Into the darkness.
Mac:So is the expansiveness.
Mac:We're talking about an internal expansiveness, not an external one?
Mac:I think it absolutely is.
Rev:Yes.
Rev:Yes.
Rev:So, you know, and I think as you get the discernment, as you move through all of this, you give yourself time to be able to separate out.
Rev:Because we tell ourselves the stories we tell ourselves.
Rev:Boy, you know.
Rev:Right.
Rev:I mean, oh my goodness.
Rev:You know, we can start to separate out fact from fiction.
Rev:All right.
Rev:So, you know, again, you're able to recognize things in a different way and you're able now to make better decisions.
Rev:You'll be able to navigate and make the decision to go into a bigger pot to be able to do something, whatever it might be, but you're not.
Rev:If you don't go through this process, then you know you're going to be limited.
Mac:So the stories we're telling, fact or fiction?
Mac:Eventually, the story I've told over and over and over and over again, again needs to be let go of.
Rev:Oh, go.
Mac:I can tell a new story.
Mac:I love my story.
Mac:I love this pot.
Mac:I don't want to go any big.
Mac:No, you got to get rid of it.
Rev:Yeah.
Mac:Got to dig up the root transplant myself and start telling a better story.
Rev:Exactly.
Coach Stu:And sometimes, I mean, the story you're talking about is something that.
Coach Stu:That may have happened, But a lot of times we tell stories about things that haven't happened.
Mac:We're.
Coach Stu:Think about it like we're.
Coach Stu:We're making something up.
Coach Stu:Like, let's say you got a go up in front of a crowd and speak.
Coach Stu:Right?
Coach Stu:Think of all the stories you're telling about what's going to happen which didn't happen.
Mac:We borrowed trouble from tomorrow.
Rev:Right.
Coach Stu:Right.
Rev:Oh, that's a.
Rev:Yeah.
Coach Stu:So that's another way to, you know, again, it's all coming back to the present.
Coach Stu:Stay present.
Rev:Yeah.
Coach Stu:And I.
Coach Stu:What I used to tell my daughter when this would happen, because this.
Coach Stu:This would happen all the time for her, you know, as a teenager, I would say, look, and I'd convince her.
Coach Stu:Well, I'd get her to realize, hey, you're making a story up.
Coach Stu:Right?
Coach Stu:Like, this hasn't happened.
Coach Stu:Yeah.
Coach Stu:Okay.
Coach Stu:I'm like, why are you making it like a bad story?
Coach Stu:Like, let's make.
Coach Stu:If you're gonna make a story up, let's make it a good one.
Rev:Right?
Coach Stu:I'm saying out there, Rogers, don't even make up the story.
Coach Stu:But if you're gonna do that, make it a good story.
Rev:See, this is wisdom.
Rev:This is W I Z E wisdom.
Rev:All right.
Rev:So.
Rev:So fun.
Rev:So fun.
Rev:So, you know, I love it, guys.
Rev:Thanks so much.
Rev:This is kind of a lead in now into what are some of the stories that we can tell about how this looks like in our lives.
Rev:You know, recognize these different things, good and bad.
Rev:Right.
Rev:So we're going to take the rest of the episode and we're going to just, you know, share some of those not only from our own life, but give you some examples of all this.
Rev:So we're going to take a little bit of a break, and then we'll be right back to dive into that.
Rev:Thanks for listening.
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Rev:All right, welcome back to the Wise Guys podcast, where in this episode we are talking about the concept of root and fruit.
Rev:And so I think we've had a lot of fun to this point chatting about some of our faux pas and kind of how to look at this in the big picture scheme of things.
Rev:But maybe let's share a little bit more now about how we can use some examples of this in our own lives, more particularly as we tell the stories.
Coach Stu:Yeah, let's talk about, like, where we see this in action.
Coach Stu:I mean, we've been.
Coach Stu:We've already kind of covered nature, I would say, right?
Coach Stu:I mean, we talk.
Coach Stu:I mean, that's.
Coach Stu:That's the easy analogy to make with.
Coach Stu:Yeah, with this.
Coach Stu:So I think we've already kind of gone there.
Coach Stu:But let's talk about, like, root and fruit.
Coach Stu:When it comes to families or like relationships, I say family because everyone can relate to that.
Coach Stu:Relationships in general.
Coach Stu:Like, what does that look like?
Rev:Yeah.
Mac:No, I think I'm so grateful for the people in my family who caused me to look at my roots, some of my greatest teachers on the planet.
Mac:It's like family members that drive me nuts, crazy.
Mac:And it's like I can either go crazy, insane and blow up, or I can go, why am I so triggered by this family member?
Mac:And it causes me to look at my roots.
Mac:So it's a great.
Mac:It's a great laboratory.
Mac:Right, for learning about yourself.
Rev:Well, you know, we talked a little bit about this in the, in, in the first half of the episode.
Rev:But let's take that example of family and the irritant uncle or whatever.
Rev:You know, we always tell those stories, right?
Coach Stu:You mean the fun uncle, the.
Rev:Well.
Rev:Or the fun uncle.
Rev:All right, yeah, yeah, whatever.
Rev:Right.
Mac:Tell a different story.
Rev:It's a different story.
Rev:But.
Rev:But here's the thing that if we come into, say, Thanksgiving, we just passed through that, right?
Rev:So there's all kinds of fun stories about having to go to Thanksgiving and how do you deal with the in laws and how do you deal with the, you know, the oddball, whatever.
Rev:If the root that you're cultivating is one of anger, disgust, you know, even hatred, or you know, whatever those negative feelings that you may enter into that relationship and whatever, then guess what?
Rev:I mean, it works both ways.
Coach Stu:That's what's going to come up.
Mac:You know, a great indicator of the root is the glasses you're wearing.
Mac:Angry people will find reasons to be angry.
Rev:Yes.
Mac:People who are hurt will look for more reasons to be hurt.
Mac:That is a clear indication.
Mac:The roots got a problem.
Rev:Right, That's.
Rev:Yes.
Rev:I mean, understand that there's work to be done, but you put the work in on the opposite side to get where you are.
Rev:All right?
Rev:So, I mean, again, you can't blame anybody else.
Mac:Nope.
Mac:It's hopeful.
Mac:People will find reasons to be hopeful.
Mac:Happy people will look for the happiness at the same gathering, the same table, and have a different experience.
Rev:Right.
Mac:Different fruit.
Rev:Right.
Mac:Based on what their glasses are.
Rev:Yes.
Coach Stu:So how you respond and react to all of that comes from your root.
Rev:That's exactly right.
Coach Stu:Right.
Rev:That's exactly.
Coach Stu:You may respond in, I mean, who knows what various ways.
Coach Stu:But if you hadn't been working on your core beliefs and your mindset and your habits and all those things, your connection with God.
Coach Stu:Right, right, right.
Rev:Oh, exactly.
Mac:Sometimes it's not just core beliefs, it's core wounds, because these roots are so deep, they go back to 20 years ago.
Coach Stu:That's true.
Coach Stu:Yeah.
Coach Stu:If you haven't done any work there.
Coach Stu:That's very true.
Rev:Well, we're exotic cocktails.
Rev:Right.
Rev:We talk about that all the time.
Rev:We have so many different layers.
Rev:We have so many different things that we have to peel back.
Rev:But I think one of the core messages that we're saying here is that don't expect.
Rev:Again, here comes an expectation.
Rev:You can't expect beautiful, ripe, juicy peaches coming off the tree if the work on the root hadn't been done.
Rev:All right, so use that analogy however you want to across your whole life, but it's applicable because it's natural law.
Mac:So if I'm playing an angry tape, an angry soundtrack in my head, but I'm expecting everybody in my family to show up kind and loving and peaceful.
Mac:It's not going to happen.
Mac:You're not.
Mac:They may be acting that way, but you're not able to see it.
Rev:Right, Right.
Mac:I want the juicy peach, but I don't want to work on the root.
Mac:I don't want to work on the wound.
Rev:Yes, yes.
Rev:So, again, you got to start thinking a little differently.
Coach Stu:Well, you're talking about like.
Coach Stu:Like inner transformations.
Coach Stu:Right.
Coach Stu:Is what you're kind of getting to.
Coach Stu:And so this is where, you know, Spirituality comes in the play.
Coach Stu:Right, Right.
Coach Stu:So.
Coach Stu:So Mac, you wrote something down here.
Coach Stu:I'm going to make you explain because these things sometimes, sometimes when Mac gives us information.
Coach Stu:Rev.
Coach Stu:Yeah, my brain starts to hurt.
Coach Stu:I'm pretty good these days.
Coach Stu:I've done a lot of training and practice.
Rev:You've been with a long time with.
Coach Stu:Mac, but you got to get a.
Mac:Bigger container to handle max consciousness.
Coach Stu:And you may have people like this in your life, and I encourage you to stay with them, you know, keep challenging yourself, keep working on that route.
Rev:I'm just glad he loves me, man.
Rev:You know, that's all.
Coach Stu:So spirituality, spiritual but not religious.
Coach Stu:Like what.
Coach Stu:What does that mean to you and why we wrote this down here, Spiritual but not religious.
Rev:You can see lots of other connotations of the spiritual aspect of this.
Rev:We've talked about it, you know, be animated and directed by the spirit, all that kind of stuff.
Rev:We started foundationally, but, you know, this is a common phrase that, you know, has been kind of up there in the field the last, what, 15, 20 years.
Rev:I'm spiritual, but I'm not religious.
Coach Stu:Yeah, that whole thing.
Rev:And really it's hard to.
Rev:Even if you look at somebody and you say, well, what does that mean?
Rev:It's even hard for them maybe to articulate because what they're probably what I've experienced.
Rev:If you say that to somebody, the reason they're not religious and they think it's okay to step back and be spiritual is because they just had a bad church experience.
Mac:It's the wound.
Mac:It's that core wound, right?
Rev:So now I'm not religious, but I'm going to be spiritual.
Rev:And my question there is, the reason I put this on here is because where's the root and where's the fruit?
Rev:Then it's easy to throw that card, right?
Rev:It's easy to just say, I don't want any of that religious city stuff.
Rev:Okay, I'm spiritual.
Rev:Really?
Rev:Well, where did that come from?
Rev:How did you become spiritual if that's what you're going to label yourself as?
Rev:And so I think we have to be really careful.
Rev:I'm just using this as an example because.
Rev:Because we do it all kinds of ways.
Rev:This is just an example where we flip it out there and we posture in this whole thing and we think that diffuses the conversation.
Rev:We think that's enough of an answer.
Rev:Let's move on.
Rev:And it really doesn't take place.
Mac:There's no self examination in that at all.
Mac:There's no willingness to look at your own Wound, why it got there, how it got there and what you're doing to heal it.
Mac:I think I'm going to be the SOB here, I'll be the rotten uncle to say you cannot be spiritual and not religious unless you're avoiding the word, the religious part.
Mac:You've taken somebody else's definition of what religion is and you've given away your power.
Mac:Religion means I'm going to work my spirit.
Mac:I'm going to put the practices and the habits in place in order to cultivate the soil, to cultivate the roots so I can have the greater.
Mac:Well, not even so I can have the greater fruit.
Mac:It'll just be a byproduct.
Rev:Right.
Mac:But so sometimes I'm spiritual.
Mac:I'm not religious is a great cop out.
Rev:Yeah.
Rev:Well, that's exactly, exactly what I'm trying to say.
Rev:That please, you know, realize that if you're doing it right, if that's you, we're just going to just tweak you a little bit here and say, think about that a little bit.
Rev:Okay.
Rev:And think about how you would respond to somebody that told you that.
Rev:Right.
Rev:How could you help them see that maybe the unseen.
Rev:The root.
Rev:Let's get down to the root here.
Rev:Let's help one another go to some place that would help them develop better.
Coach Stu:Right.
Rev:Does that make sense?
Coach Stu:Yeah.
Mac:Okay.
Rev:You got me there.
Coach Stu:Yeah.
Coach Stu:And I.
Coach Stu:And I want to speak to the people that may be questioning God or maybe don't even believe in God.
Coach Stu:You.
Coach Stu:You can certainly be spiritual.
Rev:Yeah.
Coach Stu:I mean, in my opinion, you.
Coach Stu:You certainly can.
Mac:We are.
Mac:It's all that.
Mac:We really are.
Coach Stu:Yeah.
Coach Stu:Yeah.
Coach Stu:So, I mean, everybody's included in this is my point.
Mac:Well.
Mac:And everybody can be religious.
Mac:I religiously get up every morning and have a routine.
Mac:I Dr.
Coach Stu:There's some things I do religiously every morning too.
Coach Stu:Let me tell you.
Mac:Nothing to do with God.
Mac:It has everything to do with what's cultivating the environment.
Mac:I want to thrive.
Coach Stu:Right, right, right.
Rev:Well, we're going to get back to the fact there's got to be the work done.
Rev:Yes.
Rev:We've been saying this, this whole.
Rev:And you know what?
Rev:More than zero.
Coach Stu:Right.
Rev:We love that concept.
Rev:Pick a place to start and just start to tweak it, start to replant it.
Mac:Well, you've got to really written one down here that's so easy to look at.
Mac:This equation.
Mac:It's health.
Rev:Yeah.
Mac:Why, why is it?
Mac:I'm sick.
Rev:Yeah.
Mac:You know, I love the guy that's smoking two packs of cigarettes a day and he's cursing God.
Mac:Why?
Mac:He's got cancer.
Mac:There might be something that needs to be changed at a cause level, not just the effect.
Rev:Well, that's.
Coach Stu:Well, and it could be, it could be nutrition, but it could be lifestyle.
Coach Stu:It could be genetically.
Coach Stu:You could have something genetically.
Coach Stu:That doesn't mean it can't be handled.
Coach Stu:But, but it's like getting to that root to figure out what it is.
Rev:That's the key.
Mac:And could be an environment.
Mac:Find a different pot.
Rev:Well, we can put so many different, different things into this equation, right?
Rev:All kinds of different stuff.
Rev:Economics, business, health, spirituality.
Coach Stu:Sports is a big one.
Coach Stu:You know, sports, listen to the coach, man.
Coach Stu:Sports is a big one.
Rev:And this is a big deal.
Rev:So, you know, think about what we've talked about.
Rev:Have some conversations with some, you know, people in your circle, friends of yours, family members, and really, you know, get to the root of this whole deal.
Rev:We encourage you in it because again, we're going to go back to Galatians.
Rev:Do you want a life like that or not?
Rev:Okay, I do.
Rev:But you kind of got to do the work and you kind of got to be called, you know, you know, called out on it.
Rev:Right?
Coach Stu:Here we go.
Rev:And so we're going to call you out.
Coach Stu:Is that a fluke?
Rev:So you got to decide to go rogue if your ongoing mission is as we would choose.
Rev:You got to find like minded roguers because that makes a big difference.
Rev:If you find some people that are right in there with you, right?
Rev:You gotta strap on the armor.
Rev:I mean, you are gonna have to do some hard work and you're gonna take some tomatoes over it.
Rev:You may take some tomatoes relationally, you may just look in the mirror, have a bad hair day, right?
Rev:Then you gotta storm the gates.
Rev:I mean, there's so much mediocrity out there.
Rev:There's so much, you know, passiveness.
Rev:There's so much that people just aren't willing to do the work.
Rev:And you've got to overcome that.
Rev:You've got to help others overcome that.
Rev:Because at lastly, what it's going to take is you've got to unleash the unthinkable gang.
Rev:You're going to have to plant those seeds and you're going to have to speak words and you're going to have to do things that are totally unthinkable for you and for others.
Rev:But that's so beautiful, right?
Rev:You're going to get the juicy peach tree, you know, and you're going to be able to have that fruit just dripping right down your face and a smile on your face and you're going to have joy.
Rev:So I've loved it this time, guys.
Rev:Really, really cool.
Rev:All right.
Rev:So fun.
Rev:So fun.
Rev:We talked about root and fruit.
Mac:Mac, you're a peach.
Coach Stu:No wait, you're a California peach.
Rev:You guys, so complimentary.
Rev:So thank you so much.
Mac:I want to crawl into the orchard of your mind.
Rev:Oh, you're going to get lost in the weeds.
Rev:Okay.
Rev:So, so thanks for listening, Rogers.
Rev:We really appreciate it.
Rev:My wise guys, love you guys both as always, man.
Rev:Thanks so much.
Rev:It's been fun.
Rev:And next week, and next week I think we're going to drag one out of the archives.
Coach Stu:That'll be good.
Rev:So you might get some of the wise guy duo as we've got some schedule challenges next week.
Rev:But tell all your friends about us.
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Rev:And again, again, we love having you listen to us.
Rev:So have a great week and we will catch you next week.
Rev:Take care.
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