Spiritual Wrestling
About this Episode
- This episode addresses ALL types of spiritual development. It’s not directed at any one religion. It can span across the non-religious “everyone believes in God in a foxhole”, to those committed to their spiritual growth and enlightenment. What are some ways to apply a “wrestling” perspective and practice to navigating our relationship with God and embracing faith, mystery, uncertainty, or fear, and help raise our consciousness and support us in doing it just a little bit better?
Intro to Episode
- Welcome to The WizeGuys, a podcast where we unleash the unthinkable, step over the line to help us see things differently and go to the inside edge to stimulate new thinking. We might even answer some questions you hadn’t thought to ask!
- Hi, I’m Mac, your host. In this episode, we are going on the mat to learn from wrestling some perspectives and techniques that will cultivate a higher consciousness as we struggle physically, emotionally, relationally, and spiritually.
- We’re celebrating our thirtieth episode!
- New listeners
- Listener feedback
- Plug for the Cafe conversation
- WizeKrak of the day: Stu, did you ever hear one of your wrestlers say, “I am your worst nightmare” to an opponent as the match starts?
Intro wrestling and its general application:
- Jacob wrestling with God -The Rev
- Coach Stu & Scholastic Wrestling
- Season by season, the development of trust in your ability
Some Wrestling Principles & How they apply to the spiritual life:
- This applies to everyone across multiple sports and approaches to spirituality.
- Self-reliant
- Mentally, physically and [spiritually] fit
- Diet
- Habits
- Workout
- Mindfulness
- Great work ethic and respect for others
- Muscle memory
- Practice, practice, practice
- Pain and gain
- Self-disciplined. Study the sport.
- Competitive [with self] individually, but are still part of a team
- Responsible
- Goal-oriented and accountable
- Confident and belief in themselves and their success
- Positive role models [mentors]
- Muscle memory [practice, practice, practice…]
- Get comfortable with wearing a sniglett…
The Maverick Perspective
- Get out of your comfort zone and subject yourself to the uncomfortable
The Mystic Perspective
- Trust that the process will develop a deeper intuition
The Mentor Perspective
- Submit to coaching that has your best interest in mind
“Your ongoing mission, should you choose to accept it, is:
Decide to Go Rogue.
Find like-minded rogurers.
Strap on the armor.
Storm the gates.
Unleash the Unthinkable!
Links referenced in this episode:
Transcript
Now, whether you're listening to them or not, I don't know, but I'm going to tell you to listen to them.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:I mean, the Rev can speak to this all the time.
Speaker B:Well, it's responsibility.
Speaker B:I've got to turn my ears on and to get the guidance.
Speaker B:Whether it be coming from within me, the presence of God, or my tribe of five, it doesn't matter.
Speaker B:I've got to be tuned into that and not where I'm stuck.
Speaker B:If I'm defining myself by being stuck, I miss the guidance.
Speaker C:Right, right, right, right.
Speaker C:So that's a great post.
Speaker C:So self reliance, kind of a bullet point, right?
Speaker D:That's a taste of spiritual unthinkable wrestling.
Speaker D:This week's episode of the Wise Guys, a podcast that unleashes the unthinkable in culture, religion, business, and everyday life.
Speaker D:This week, the guys use the sport of wrestling to parallel the struggles, development, and growth in our spirituality.
Speaker D:So it's time to step over the line, strap in and see if you are willing to let back the Rev and Coach Stu take you to a place of thinking differently.
Speaker C:All right, welcome to the Wise Guys podcast, where we unleash the unthinkable step over the line to help us see things differently and go to the inside edge to stimulate some new thinking.
Speaker C:We might even answer some questions you hadn't thought to ask.
Speaker C:So welcome, everyone.
Speaker C:I'm Mac and I'm the host.
Speaker C:And in this episode.
Speaker C:Oh, this is going to be fun.
Speaker C:We got Coach Stu on the front burner here.
Speaker C:We are going to the mat.
Speaker C:We are going on to the mat, man, and to learn from wrestling, which of course can be applicable from lots of other sports.
Speaker C:But we're going to, you know, we're going to let Coach Stu connect the dots for us tonight.
Speaker C:We're going to learn from wrestling some perspectives and techniques that hopefully will raise your consciousness as we struggle physically, emotionally, relationally, and spiritually just in our own lives.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:There's so many things that can be applied from the sport to our lives.
Speaker C:And again, that's whatever sport you might be involved in, you're certainly going to see parallels here as well.
Speaker C:So welcome, my Wise guys.
Speaker C:Cheers.
Speaker A:Hey, hey, hey.
Speaker C:There it is.
Speaker A:Hey, how you doing?
Speaker C:Got Coach two.
Speaker A:I'm ready.
Speaker C:Got the rev here, man.
Speaker C:Good to see you.
Speaker A:I am dressed and ready.
Speaker A:I have my wrestling shoes on and my singlet.
Speaker C:No, no, you're my snigglet.
Speaker A:According to the Rev.
Speaker A:My snigglet.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm never going to live that down.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:That's your snake brother.
Speaker A:I just don't have the headgear, but I have the headphones on.
Speaker A:That's taking their place.
Speaker A:Still protecting my ears, which just the whole point of the headgear.
Speaker C:All right, so he's got his goodies.
Speaker B:It'll help you with any concept you happen to be wrestling with tonight.
Speaker A:Oh, there you go.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker A:Good one, good one.
Speaker C:I like that.
Speaker A:That's the first of many.
Speaker A:Hey, let me say hello to all of you beautiful, exotic cocktails out there.
Speaker A:Hello, everybody.
Speaker A:Hey, guess what, people.
Speaker C:What?
Speaker A:Guess what?
Speaker C:Tell us.
Speaker A:Cocktails and wise guys.
Speaker A:Guess what this is.
Speaker A:We are celebrating our 30th episode.
Speaker A:How about that?
Speaker C:Fireworks.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker A:It just.
Speaker B:It seems like yesterday we started doing this.
Speaker C:How fun, huh?
Speaker C:Yeah, it's been great.
Speaker C:Thank you for listening to us.
Speaker C:We certainly appreciate it and building our.
Speaker C:Building our Roger base.
Speaker C:But 30, man, good stuff.
Speaker B:And if you jumped in in the middle, go back and listen to the first 20.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:For sure.
Speaker C:So thanks.
Speaker C:Thanks a bunch for sticking with us, and we're having a blast.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:This is so good.
Speaker C:So milestone tonight, guys.
Speaker C:Congrats.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker C:For sure.
Speaker A:Good deal.
Speaker C:So, yeah.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So here's Stu.
Speaker C:I got a question to ask you, man.
Speaker A:Yeah, okay, I'm listening.
Speaker C:Since we're talking about wrestling tonight, okay.
Speaker C:I want to know if.
Speaker C:Whether or not you ever have heard one of your wrestlers say, I'm your worst nightmare to an opponent before the match starts.
Speaker A:Oh, no way.
Speaker A:Not my guys.
Speaker A:Not my guys.
Speaker A:They'd be doing burpees for days.
Speaker B:No, that's my world.
Speaker B:I hear that in church every Sunday.
Speaker C:There it is.
Speaker C:Okay, so, yeah, we.
Speaker A:We compete with humility.
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We prove it on the mat is where we don't have to say anything.
Speaker B:Now, that's your team.
Speaker B:What about the opponents?
Speaker A:Ah, there's.
Speaker A:You know, you get guys like that.
Speaker A:Yeah, you get guys that'll stand over you after scoring a point.
Speaker A:And I just tell my guys, you just keep your cool and you just go score more points or pin them.
Speaker C:Well, you know, I think.
Speaker C:I'm sure I've said this on the podcast before, but, you know, my son, he played hockey, ice hockey, from the time he was, you know, small.
Speaker A:That's another tough sport.
Speaker C:It is very tough.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And this line right here probably got spoken a thousand times.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Without a doubt.
Speaker C:Because it's just a different.
Speaker C:It's just a different culture now.
Speaker C:Not everybody did that.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:All I'm saying is there was a Lot more verbal yin yang and going on between the players and even the coaches on the bench a lot of times.
Speaker C:Okay, so.
Speaker B:So those that can wrestle, do it.
Speaker B:Those that can't talk yang yang about it.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker C:So wrestling.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So we're gonna, you know, we're gonna talk tonight about a lot of the nuances, a lot of the characteristics, a lot of the benefits, if you will, of wrestling, whether being on a team and all those other dynamics.
Speaker C:We're gonna.
Speaker C:We got somebody here right to my left that, you know, he lives it all the time, so he can be able to give us some really great insight and at the same time understanding that we're gonna.
Speaker C:We're gonna talk about wrestling in general and some of the points, but we're certainly also gonna talk about how these things in wrestling apply and are very applicable to our everyday lives and as we walk.
Speaker B:That's one of the things I love about Coach, too.
Speaker B:He is.
Speaker B:He is a gifted man when it comes to metaphor.
Speaker B:Everything he does in his life and his career is applicable to my life.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:So to get this thing started, we're going to go a little off the reservation here from wrestling as far as a sport goes.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:And we're going to talk a little bit about an example.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And we talk spirituality.
Speaker C:There's so many parallels between, again, what we're going to talk about and developing your spirituality.
Speaker C:Now, you may be a Christian, you may be of the Jewish persuasion, you may be a Buddhist, you might be a Muslim.
Speaker C:I mean, it really transcends, I think, all of those religions.
Speaker C:So we're not, you know, we're not going to try to apply this in any way.
Speaker B:You know, I've met people from all kinds of religions, and everyone to a person has wrestled with their faith, has wrestled with God, has wrestled with themselves throughout.
Speaker B:That's part of the evolutionary process of becoming.
Speaker B:So I think it's all applicable.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:It's going to transcend all that stuff.
Speaker C:But what I do want we are going to start with tonight is an example, certainly from Christianity, from the Old Testament.
Speaker C:So we're also talking the Jewish history here as well.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And it's a story about Jacob, one of Isaac's sons.
Speaker B:I love all the characters in the Bible that wrestle with their humanity.
Speaker B:And Jacob, you know, is.
Speaker B:Has done some pretty awful things, and he's kind of not pleased with himself.
Speaker B:He's been kind of a jerk to his brother, and his brother is on the warpath looking for him.
Speaker B:And he's coming face to face with the things he's done, and he starts wrestling with an angel.
Speaker B:And he's going round and round after round with the angel and refuses to let that angel go.
Speaker B:And it is ripe with meaning.
Speaker B:And there's imagery all over that wrestling match.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:He says, I will not let you go until you bless me.
Speaker B:You know how many of us on our path have wrestled with ourselves or with God looking for that blessing?
Speaker B:And I think it applies on the mat.
Speaker B:Whether it's wrestling on a mat or it's wrestling inside, you don't let go.
Speaker B:You don't give up.
Speaker B:You are determined.
Speaker B:And Jacob would not give up because he was wrestling inside with his humanness and his spirituality.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:I don't think it was God.
Speaker B:I think it was his divine essence.
Speaker B:He was hungry to be blessed by who he was spiritually that he had forgotten.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so he was coming face to face, not just his brother who was looking for him, but his own judgment from inside himself.
Speaker C:We do that all the time ourselves, don't we?
Speaker B:And there's a disconnect that has to happen.
Speaker B:In that story.
Speaker B:The angel supposedly dislocates Jacob's hip.
Speaker B:Well, that's moving away from the earth to the higher dimensions.
Speaker B:It's the division between the earth and the spirit.
Speaker B:And he got it.
Speaker B:He got it.
Speaker B:But he says, I want to know your name.
Speaker B:Tell me your name, which means nature.
Speaker B:That accurate translation is nature.
Speaker B:I want to know the nature of my true essence.
Speaker B:I want to know the nature of my goodness and not this horrible behavior.
Speaker B:I wrestle on that kind of mat all day long.
Speaker C:Gee, that's.
Speaker C:That's the human condition out there, isn't it?
Speaker C:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And the last point in that story, which I really like, is that he came into that wrestling match named Jacob.
Speaker C:And what does that name mean?
Speaker C:Deceiver.
Speaker C:All right?
Speaker C:That's what he.
Speaker C:I mean, that's what he's been his whole life.
Speaker C:All right?
Speaker C:He was.
Speaker C:He was known by that name.
Speaker C:Not just.
Speaker B:Well, in the etymology, you just don't quite measure up.
Speaker B:It also, if you dig into that name.
Speaker B:I don't measure up because you are a liar.
Speaker B:You're deceiving yourself.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker B:Ah, but Israel.
Speaker C:Yeah, but then he came out.
Speaker C:Yeah, he was renamed Israel.
Speaker C:All right?
Speaker C:And again, there was a new identity that he came out of that whole struggle.
Speaker B:And it's a connection with God.
Speaker B:It's a connection with the spirit.
Speaker B:He finally found that which he was hungry and thirsty for, and his name changed.
Speaker B:His nature changed in that moment.
Speaker C:Well, and I think we're going to see some really cool parallels even with that story, as Stu will talk a little bit about and we'll flesh out a little bit the process that his wrestlers will go through in much the same way.
Speaker C:It's really kind of neat.
Speaker C:I mean, once we started really talking about this episode, it was really cool about how things really overlapped.
Speaker C:So, anyway, that's an example certainly from the Bible.
Speaker C:A great story.
Speaker C:If you haven't ever read it, or you might want to read it again if you have.
Speaker C:It comes from Genesis.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker B:And read it as if Jacob lives in you, because that's how I read it.
Speaker B:Jacob lives in me, Israel lives in me.
Speaker B:The angel lives in me.
Speaker B:A whole story is alive in me as I'm becoming more and more and more my new nature, my new name.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:So, great story.
Speaker C:Look it up.
Speaker C:But now we're going to transition stuff.
Speaker C:Here you are, brother.
Speaker C:Yeah, man, we're going to.
Speaker C:Well, we just talked about Jacob.
Speaker A:I hear you.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:I hear you.
Speaker A:You know, I love that there's wrestling.
Speaker A:The Bible.
Speaker C:Agreed.
Speaker C:We're going to set the stage for, you know, bring wrestling into the whole deal and some of the concepts and we're going to let it overlay so.
Speaker A:Stuff, how it relates to life.
Speaker C:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:I'll tell you what, being a wrestler and wrestling all my life.
Speaker A:Life has made me who I am, for sure.
Speaker A:I mean, absolutely.
Speaker A:The things I've learned and.
Speaker A:And developed.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And especially through my coaching has just.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:I make decisions and act the way I do because I was a wrestler.
Speaker A:Because I am a wrestler and a wrestling coach.
Speaker A:So let me tell you, wrestling is the oldest sport in the world.
Speaker A:World.
Speaker A:I mean, a lot of people don't know that.
Speaker C:I go back to Greeks.
Speaker A:Right, Go back to the Greeks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Greco Roman wrestling.
Speaker C:Way back.
Speaker A:Way back when.
Speaker A:But, you know, it's the oldest Olympic sport, but it's the oldest sport.
Speaker A:And there's.
Speaker A:I could.
Speaker A:There is a.
Speaker A:You wouldn't believe the people that have wrestled.
Speaker A:Like, if I were to give you that list, you'd say, wow, they wrestled.
Speaker A:Like, when I tell people, you know, Abraham Lincoln wrestled, they're like, what?
Speaker A:Abraham.
Speaker A:There are so many actors and presidents and I mean, it's incredible.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And how it's formed their life is amazing.
Speaker A:But let me tell you, not everybody wrestles.
Speaker A:And you know why?
Speaker A:Because it's.
Speaker A:It's the toughest sport in the world, too.
Speaker A:Not only is it the oldest, it is the toughest.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:If it was easy, everybody would do it.
Speaker A:But it.
Speaker A:But it's not.
Speaker A:And there's a lot.
Speaker A:There's a lot to it.
Speaker A:I mean, but here's the thing that's important about my sport, about wrestling.
Speaker A:It is if you.
Speaker A:If you wrestle even for a season.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You will be better at any other sport or activity that you participate in for a lot of reasons.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker A:A lot of reasons.
Speaker C:There's a nugget right there, gang.
Speaker C:Just sort of, again, apply that.
Speaker C:Now that.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's really good.
Speaker A:I mean, there's direct connections to, you know, football players and other sports.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But let me tell you why that's true for anything you do in life.
Speaker A:When I'm coaching, if you were to break down the mental aspect, the physical aspect, and the emotional aspect of my sport, how would you do that?
Speaker A:What would be the percentages?
Speaker A:Well, let me tell you, I coach.
Speaker A:80% of what I coach is mental.
Speaker A:Now, wrestling is a physical sport, but 80% of it is what I'm dealing with, not only in competition, but in practices and just in general, how they.
Speaker A:How my young athletes live and adult athletes, because I coach high school, too, right.
Speaker A:How they live their lives.
Speaker C:See, there's a.
Speaker C:There's a first parallel right there, without even getting to bullet points.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:That it's all about, you know, your attitude and your mental thinking.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:It's the mental approach.
Speaker C:And so now think about your own life.
Speaker C:And we talk about this all the time on a podcast, don't we?
Speaker B:I've known Stu long enough to know that the lessons that are gained on the mat are applied by every one of those students.
Speaker B:Of course, every one of them is taking those lessons that you've planted in their mind.
Speaker B:And they're applying it in school, they're playing it in other sports, they're playing it in their family, and they're changing.
Speaker C:Their minds, they're changing their perspective.
Speaker B:It's called consciousness.
Speaker A:So here's what I love to be able to do and say in my parent meeting at the beginning of every season.
Speaker A:Yeah, I always tell them all.
Speaker A:And when the young athletes are there, I tell them, too.
Speaker A:And I tell them in the first practice, I say, listen, you are going to do things this season that you don't even know is possible for yourself.
Speaker A:You can't even imagine it.
Speaker A:Your wildest imagination.
Speaker A:You're not even going to believe what you're going to be able to do.
Speaker A:And by the end of the season, everybody has transformed in that way.
Speaker A:I love that and you can relate that to what we're talking about tonight, spiritual wrestling.
Speaker A:You may not even know what you're capable of understanding and learning and being.
Speaker C:Right, right, right.
Speaker A:But if you trust the process that.
Speaker C:Makes you a great coach, it makes.
Speaker B:You a great coach because you see what they can't see.
Speaker B:You're pulling out of them what they don't even know exists yet.
Speaker B:But you know that it's there.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that's an amazing.
Speaker A:That's my role as a coach.
Speaker C:There's mentorship right there, too.
Speaker A:And here's the thing that is important in that revolution is I have to.
Speaker A:So I might have in a season, 45, 50, sometimes more.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:Which this year.
Speaker A:Program.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:High school, typically, you know, 35, 40.
Speaker A:It's a lot.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And when you're thinking about coaching everybody, you.
Speaker A:You might think that you're gonna.
Speaker A:You have a certain program you're gonna follow, and it's going to be the same for everybody.
Speaker A:Right now, I do have programs that I follow.
Speaker A:There are things, there are philosophies I have and such that I follow.
Speaker A:But you know what?
Speaker A:I need to meet every single young athlete where they are in order for them to improve.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:So here's how that might look.
Speaker A:And then the more related to spirituality, I may have a wrestler that hasn't won a match all season long.
Speaker A:So my goal, when I get into the next tournament with them, I may tell them, okay, here's what we're going to do.
Speaker A:You're going to execute a takedown that I showed you, which when you take somebody down, you score points.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The more points you score, the better.
Speaker B:Right, Right.
Speaker A:Any competition.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I mean, my sport has something amazing, which is a pin, and we'll get into that.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:And you know what?
Speaker A:If they do that and they execute the takedown that we talked about.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they lose the match because the other kid had more.
Speaker A:More points scored or he pinned them or whatever.
Speaker A:That is a huge success for me.
Speaker C:Ye.
Speaker A:We set a goal and we went.
Speaker A:And that was what you were capable of doing.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:So, you know, and there's other kids that, you know, they may have that one takedown.
Speaker A:And I'm like, okay, that wasn't a good match for you.
Speaker A:You could have taken that kid down four more times, you know, because you're.
Speaker A:You're at that level.
Speaker C:It's all relative.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:So that's kind of how you have to look at this, you know, the spiritual wrestling as well.
Speaker A:And, you know, not to.
Speaker A:Not to run Down a rabbit trail.
Speaker A:But you know how I put everybody in school to see where they're at so I can meet them where they're at, where they are?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But that is so.
Speaker A:That is so important to help them to do things that they don't even know is possible for themselves.
Speaker B:Well, you know, and that applies to life.
Speaker B:What you just taught is, you know, in life, you're going to wrestle and you're going to fail, you're not going to win, but you keep in the game.
Speaker B:And you count, as I tell my piano students, count the right notes, count the successes, count the moments where something good happened, and then they get better.
Speaker B:I know that your students get better because you're focusing on that.
Speaker B:That small victory, however small that might be.
Speaker B:It grows.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Such a good point.
Speaker A:Let me tell you something I do.
Speaker A:After every tournament, after every competition, I take notes, and my notes are.
Speaker A:Here are the moves that I saw that my athletes did not know what to do or they didn't do something properly so that they could be in a better position.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So here's the key.
Speaker A:In my sport, when you become good, you're high level.
Speaker A:You're wrestling in college or the Olympics, those wrestlers, you're a state champ.
Speaker A:Let's go down to high school level.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Scholastic wrestling, high school level.
Speaker A:When you're a state champ, those wrestlers have an answer for any position you put them in.
Speaker A:Now, they didn't start that way.
Speaker A:They may be put in a position that they're.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They didn't know what to do when they got there, so they hesitated.
Speaker A:Which you can't do in my.
Speaker C:Right, right, right.
Speaker C:But over time, over time, you learn.
Speaker A:And you build what we call muscle memory so that you're put in that position time and time.
Speaker A:And we practice this time and time and time again.
Speaker A:And eventually you.
Speaker A:You just respond.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:You don't even have to think about it.
Speaker A:You respond, well, this is the same thing in life.
Speaker A:Right, Right.
Speaker A:How many times on our podcast have we talked about engaging and encouraging the rokers out there to engage in tough conversations, uncomfortable conversations?
Speaker A:The more you do, the better you'll.
Speaker A:You'll be at it.
Speaker A:And the.
Speaker A:And the better you'll be at connecting with people because you've engaged in those.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, and it's not just wrestling with an opponent or wrestling with an experience.
Speaker B:It's wrestling with yourself.
Speaker B:Engage in that.
Speaker B:Challenge yourself.
Speaker B:Wrestle with the divine essence as Jacob did.
Speaker B:As you did.
Speaker B:And you become more of you.
Speaker B:So the wrestling itself is a part of the practice, isn't it?
Speaker B:The failure, maybe a part of the practice, the non execution becomes part of my becoming.
Speaker C:Gotta be.
Speaker C:Yeah, you gotta go through that.
Speaker C:You know, and when you were talking about that, Stu, in the very beginning, about telling these kids and telling the parents that their kids are gonna be.
Speaker C:They're not even gonna get it.
Speaker C:They're gonna be something way more than they could possibly imagine were the words that you use.
Speaker C:Okay?
Speaker C:You're gonna do things that they couldn't possibly imagine.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker C:And here's.
Speaker C:So here's what I thought about.
Speaker C:Here's what El, you said to them, but you didn't say it this way, but this is what you said.
Speaker C:So go ahead and imagine, okay?
Speaker C:So just go right ahead.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And blow that whole little bubble that you've been living in, whatever it might be, blow it apart so that you can have a vision for something that you've never even thought is possible.
Speaker B:That's what this whole podcast is about.
Speaker B:The three of us sit here behind a microphone and we're look, reaching out over the airwaves to say, we see something in you.
Speaker B:There's more life that wants to happen through you, and we can imagine it.
Speaker B:You imagine it with us.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:So here's something else that's important as a coach, and I have to build, or I choose to build, trust, Right.
Speaker A:I don't demand it because that's not how I operate.
Speaker A:I want them to trust me because they have trusted me and they can trust me.
Speaker A:There's a really bad meme in there.
Speaker C:Somewhere, but I think we got it, though.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker A:And in doing that, I mean, I've had many conversations where I've talked with a wrestler that comes off the mat, and they say, I just can't do it, coach.
Speaker A:I can't do it.
Speaker A:I say, look, here's.
Speaker A:I've trained you.
Speaker A:Here's what you need to know.
Speaker A:Can you do it?
Speaker A:I don't know if I can do it.
Speaker A:Next words out of my mouth, do you trust me?
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:And they're like, yes, I trust you.
Speaker A:I'm like, you can do this.
Speaker A:I have enough belief for both of us.
Speaker A:So if you can't operate off of your own belief in yourself, use mine and go out there and do what I've taught you to do at the.
Speaker B:Risk of becoming religious again.
Speaker B:That's the voice of God coming through Stu for his wrestlers, but coming through the voice of God through each and every one of us.
Speaker B:I believe in you.
Speaker B:Trust me.
Speaker C:Well, let's drop the mic here.
Speaker C:Like Right now.
Speaker C:Okay?
Speaker C:Just.
Speaker C:Okay, that's.
Speaker C:I mean, that's the essence.
Speaker C:There it is, right there.
Speaker C:I love it, man.
Speaker C:I just, again, you guys got to understand out there that, you know, I've known Student for a really long time, and his whole wrestling career and the revs have been exposed to all of it this year as we've come to know each other.
Speaker C:You know, this kind of stuff, man, it's just amazing how it parallels our own lives.
Speaker C:I mean, it's just really.
Speaker C:It's all connected, you know?
Speaker C:It's all connected.
Speaker C:It's just all there.
Speaker C:And, you know, and here's the other thing to remember, okay?
Speaker C:Because again, I told you, I've known Stu for a long time.
Speaker C:I've seen him as he's coached over the years, okay?
Speaker C:I've seen his development and how he's changed.
Speaker C:And we.
Speaker C:And this is so perfect, too.
Speaker C:If we'll be willing to go more than zero, if we'll be willing to contemplate more, to engage the divine more, to let it, you know, infuse our life more, you will change.
Speaker C:You will transform.
Speaker C:All right?
Speaker C:And it's a beautiful journey.
Speaker C:I mean, it's so neat to see, especially when you have other people in your life that can look at you and say, oh, man.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:What the heck?
Speaker C:What happened to you?
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:How cool, right?
Speaker C:How cool is that?
Speaker C:And I know you'll do that with your wrestlers or their parents might.
Speaker C:My gosh, what the heck is going on with my daughter or my son?
Speaker C:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker A:I can't tell you how many times I hear that.
Speaker A:Like, they're like, what are you doing?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker A:Because I.
Speaker A:Because I.
Speaker A:The first week of practices, I always let the new parents in just to see what we do.
Speaker A:But then the rest of the season, I'm like, you just try again with the parents.
Speaker A:Trust me, you know, I will take care of it.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:And they're like, what are you doing in there?
Speaker A:Like, you know, so then closing the doors.
Speaker A:Well, let me.
Speaker A:Let me.
Speaker A:Let me make this one.
Speaker A:One more point.
Speaker A:I know there's a lot of.
Speaker A:A lot of bullet points and such that Mac wants to get into here, man.
Speaker A:It's all good.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:One of the things that we need to talk about, and we talk about this in life, that there's seasons of life, right?
Speaker A:Well, I have seasons.
Speaker A:Seasons of wrestling, Right?
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker A:I mean, it's a winter sport, so we're typically in.
Speaker A:In.
Speaker A:In the winter months in that season.
Speaker A:And from the beginning of the season, if you're brand New to the sport.
Speaker A:You never put wrestling shoes on or a headgear and you step into my room and you go through a season.
Speaker A:Four months for me, the end of that four months, and I'm saying, I'm using this word intentionally.
Speaker A:You are transformed.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Now you, if I told you that the beginning of the season, you would not necessarily.
Speaker A:You might believe me.
Speaker A:But you, you can't even understand it.
Speaker C:Correct.
Speaker A:Until it happens and then you're there.
Speaker C:Love it.
Speaker A:Now, that's one season, right?
Speaker A:So you come back to me.
Speaker A:Second season.
Speaker A:We just continue to grow.
Speaker A:It just gets bigger and bigger.
Speaker A:It's like if it's, if it's like the first season is, is a, is a circle, the next season the circle's bigger.
Speaker A:And then it gets bigger and bigger and you have transformed into something that again, you didn't even know was possible for yourself.
Speaker B:But what did it require?
Speaker B:You know, dude, does every single student transform?
Speaker B:What does it require of those, those wrestlers on your team?
Speaker B:You believe in them, they trust you.
Speaker B:But boy, there's got to be more than just, I trust the coach.
Speaker B:I've got to be committed.
Speaker A:There's some hard work show up.
Speaker B:I've got to put the hard work in.
Speaker B:I've got to.
Speaker C:You got to do the work.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm not, I'm not going to say it's not.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:There's hard work to be done and it's not just one thing.
Speaker A:Mac and I were talking about this the other day.
Speaker A:There's not just one magic pill.
Speaker A:There's not like one thing like, okay, tell me to be a good wrestler, what's the one thing there isn't?
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:Like, you know, I got to talk about a lot of things.
Speaker A:I got to talk about nutrition, about technique, about your sleep, your sleep patterns.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, your mental state.
Speaker A:There's so many different.
Speaker A:I know we're going to get into.
Speaker B:Well, and it's a commitment to all those things.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:It's a well rounded athlete.
Speaker B:You got to be committed to every aspect of your life.
Speaker B:You can't do it halfway.
Speaker A:So this is the same thing in life, Rev.
Speaker A:Like, if somebody were to say to you, hey, how do I get the kind of wisdom that you guys have on the podcast?
Speaker A:Well, tell me the one thing there isn't one thing.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:It's a whole bunch of things that accumulate.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Then, boom, there you are.
Speaker A:You just are.
Speaker C:At some point, what we will is we're going to go into some of those in the second half.
Speaker C:Okay, we're going to talk about some of those nugget wisdom, if you will, develop, developing things that we're going to kind of pull across from the world of wrestling.
Speaker C:So thanks for listening so far.
Speaker C:We're going to be right back.
Speaker C:Hang in there.
Speaker C:And I think you're going to really enjoy as some of the rubber also meets the road in the second half.
Speaker C:So just hang out.
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Speaker C:All right, gang, welcome back to the Wise Guys podcast where in this episode we are talking about wrestling.
Speaker C:Now there's the sport wrestling.
Speaker C:And Stu's really helping us out there, without a doubt, because that's what he does.
Speaker C:He's a wrestling coach, he's wrestled himself.
Speaker C:But the reason that we brought that in was so that we could draw, draw some parallels, some, you know, some similarities between what a wrestler and a coach of wrestling goes through.
Speaker C:You know, the transformative process that, you know, the dedication, all the stuff.
Speaker C:And we're going to kind of flesh that out a little bit more the second half.
Speaker C:But at the same time, what we want to be sure we do is say there's so many commonalities between that and our spiritual development and how we, quote, wrestle with God.
Speaker C:And the Rev used a really great example from the Bible on, on Jacob.
Speaker C:So, you know, we're going to go through that if we're committed.
Speaker C:And that's going to be a word we're going to talk about here.
Speaker C:If we're all committed, if we're each committed to our own spiritual development.
Speaker C:I mean, you got to be willing to go on the mat.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:It's not a 50 yard dash.
Speaker B:It's a merit.
Speaker C:There you go.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And so we've talked about some of those things already and I just did.
Speaker C:I also, before we go further into when we talk about sport, and I think I've mentioned this already, but I just want to make sure it's clear.
Speaker C:Wrestling's awesome and there's tons of parallels, but, you know, a lot of us are exposed to other sports, you know, whatever they might be.
Speaker C:And certainly you can take your own sport and your own experience, whether it's you, whether it's one of your kids.
Speaker C:And you can certainly draw a lot of these same parallels.
Speaker C:So, you know, hopefully you haven't, from the first half closed off a little bit like, oh, well, they're not talking about anything I know anything about.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:It's not about knowing a bunch of stuff about wrestling per se.
Speaker C:It's about knowing about life.
Speaker B:I want Steve's book.
Speaker B:When it comes out, I want a signed copy.
Speaker B:Life Lessons from the Math.
Speaker C:There it is.
Speaker C:Yeah, we already found that.
Speaker A:We have the title already.
Speaker A:I'm ready to go.
Speaker C:So anyway, let's kind of look at some of the things that Stu practices or talks to with his parents and with his wrestlers.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:And one of them will kind of start with is the fact that you got to be self reliant, client.
Speaker C:Where's the you factor in all of this?
Speaker A:When you read that, what did that mean to you when you, when you read that part?
Speaker C:Well, again, who's on the map with the, with, with the other individual?
Speaker A:Yeah, you.
Speaker C:Are you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:You're not holding his hand.
Speaker C:You're not doing anything.
Speaker C:I mean, you've already done whatever you can do to that point.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So you've got to rely upon yourself, your abilities, your, you know, your training, the things that you've committed to, you know, I think.
Speaker C:And there's the spiritual lesson there too, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:And it's win or lose, it's.
Speaker A:It's all on you.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, it's not like a football team where you have, you know, other players out there with you.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:It's you on the mat against your opponent.
Speaker A:And I'm even going to say most of the time it's you versus you.
Speaker A:Even though there is an opponent out there.
Speaker A:That's the mental aspect.
Speaker C:There's a nugget now.
Speaker A:Now wrestling, there is a team component.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:Don't forget that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:But in order to help the team team, you have got to perform.
Speaker A:I mean, you've got to succeed.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:And that's you on your own out there now.
Speaker A:Your team's cheering you on.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:You know, and I feel like that happens in life.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like there's a lot of times we have to.
Speaker A:We may cheer somebody on, but in the end they have to go out there and do it, learn it, experience it, have the transformation themselves.
Speaker A:You can't do it for them.
Speaker C:Well, that's, that's one of the things I love as I study, you know, Juice shared with me over the years.
Speaker C:And then as we've really pressed into this I've episode, I think it's a cool dynamic that you are on the mat per.
Speaker C:You know, in, in.
Speaker C:You have to use everything that, that you develop to that point.
Speaker C:And at the same time, that commitment to your development also affects the team.
Speaker B:As an athlete or a spiritual student.
Speaker B:Accountability and responsibility.
Speaker B:For me, that's important.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:And how that affects the team as well, you know, because it ripples out of you, it flows through you.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker C:To the rest of the world.
Speaker C:To the rest of the people in.
Speaker B:Your, you know, Blame anybody else?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:Now here's, here's the cool thing about a concept we've talked about.
Speaker A:The tribe of five, right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:So you, you have this in wrestling too.
Speaker A:One of your tribe of five is your coach.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:When my, when my wrestlers are out there, they're not by themselves.
Speaker A:They're out there competing by themselves.
Speaker A:But I'm on the side of the mat helping them, cheering them on.
Speaker A:Most of the time I'm cheering them on in support and telling them, yes, yes, that's good.
Speaker A:Right position.
Speaker A:All right, good, good.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But if they get stuck.
Speaker A:So this is what we talked about a little bit earlier.
Speaker C:Right, Right.
Speaker A:Where you have an answer for every position they get in a position, they're stuck.
Speaker A:Well, then I help them.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I tell them, okay.
Speaker A:And I'm very, very specific.
Speaker A:Move your leg here, move your arm there, look over there.
Speaker A:I mean, it's very specific.
Speaker A:So imagine like if you had this happening in life and you're with your.
Speaker C:Spiritual development as well.
Speaker A:People are helping you.
Speaker A:And I would.
Speaker A:I'm going to say that there are people like this in your life.
Speaker A:Life.
Speaker A:Now, whether you're listening to them or not, I don't know.
Speaker A:But I'm going to tell you to listen to them.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I mean, the rep can speak to this all the time.
Speaker B:Well, it's a responsibility.
Speaker B:I've got to turn my ears on and to get the guidance.
Speaker B:Whether it could be coming from within me, the presence of God or my tribe of five, it doesn't matter.
Speaker B:I've got to be tuned into that and not where I'm stuck.
Speaker B:If I'm defining myself by being stuck, I miss the guidance.
Speaker C:Right, right, right, right.
Speaker C:So that's a great push.
Speaker C:So self reliance, that's kind of a bullet point.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:The other one is the next one we've just got on the list.
Speaker C:And again, these aren't by any means, in an order of Importance or anything like that.
Speaker C:All right?
Speaker C:They're just components, you know, that you need to.
Speaker C:Mentally, physically, and spiritually.
Speaker C:In this case, that we're talking about the whole thing.
Speaker C:But I'm going to go ahead and say that's part of any sport as well.
Speaker C:You got to be fit.
Speaker C:You know, it's part of your responsibility.
Speaker C:As Rev was saying, ain't no place to look other than the Mirror Gang.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:You know, you got to be responsible for those things, and you have to put things in place in your life that help you cultivate them.
Speaker A:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Let me draw a parallel with spirituality.
Speaker A:So mentally, physically, we understand that.
Speaker A:Spiritually, we understand.
Speaker A:But also in the sport of wrestling, there's emotions.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And I know a lot of people in life are.
Speaker A:This is one of the major life lessons I have to teach parents, which is interesting, because some of them get upset when their wrestler gets angry or mad at something or, you know, crying, all of those things.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:When those emotions come up, I.
Speaker A:I, as a coach, celebrate those.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I tell my athlete, you, if you're mad, that is okay.
Speaker A:If you're.
Speaker A:If you're sad, that's okay.
Speaker A:If you're crying, that's okay.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I mean, it really hit home.
Speaker A:And one years ago, I was coaching one of my wrestlers, and he was winning, and I'm looking at him and he's crying the whole time.
Speaker A:And so I call him over to the side and I say, hey, what's up?
Speaker B:He's like, I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker A:I don't know why I'm crying.
Speaker A:I'm like, okay, you're feeling emotions.
Speaker A:That's okay.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Let's harness that energy and let's make use of it.
Speaker A:Like, let's not deny what you're feeling.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:This is true in life, but it's true on the mat, whatever it is, especially when kids get angry.
Speaker A:Like, I can take that any day of the week and turn that into something legal in the sport of wrestling and positive.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I don't ridicule them or make that a bad thing.
Speaker A:If that happens.
Speaker A:And I try to.
Speaker A:I gotta teach the parents this because they, you know, they don't want to see that.
Speaker A:Now, there.
Speaker A:I have some rules.
Speaker A:There's things you can and can't do.
Speaker A:I can't have you throwing headgear.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:And it's probably the same thing in life.
Speaker A:Like, you know.
Speaker A:You know, if you're going to be physically Abusive like, that's not okay.
Speaker C:Right, Right.
Speaker B:People, emotions are not bad.
Speaker B:So many of the emotions that we experience as earthlings, as human beings, we've been labeled as bad.
Speaker B:No, they're all indicators of energy.
Speaker B:And you can take that anger and channel.
Speaker B:I just watched a baseball game.
Speaker B:I went to one of my kids in my church was baseball game.
Speaker B:And the shortstop, little guy, he screwed up.
Speaker B:The ball went right between his legs.
Speaker B:And he was angry and he was mad.
Speaker B:But what I saw him do is the next inning, he got out there and he took that anger and he was on the mound.
Speaker B:He pitched the next inning.
Speaker B:Let me tell you, nobody could hit this guy's fastball.
Speaker B:He used it and he didn't let it define himself, but he took the energy and he channeled it to be an incredible pitcher, and they won the game.
Speaker A:Something that looks like a negative to a lot of people, you can turn that into.
Speaker A:Into a positive and powerful.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Something that's powerful for you to make use in your life.
Speaker C:You think there's a life lesson here?
Speaker B:Feel what you need to feel right now.
Speaker A:I know there is.
Speaker B:Feel it and use it for something holy and sacred and good.
Speaker C:And the beauty of this all is.
Speaker C:You say.
Speaker C:We say this all the time.
Speaker C:Right, gang?
Speaker C:Right, guys?
Speaker C:We're exotic cocktails, all right?
Speaker C:And all of these dynamics that we've just been talking about, just prove that point.
Speaker C:Right on.
Speaker C:That we're so beautiful in our dynamic, you know, uniqueness and everything else that we've been created for.
Speaker C:So we press into it.
Speaker C:I think it's really great.
Speaker C:So, so cool.
Speaker A:We have.
Speaker A:We have this saying that winning wrestlers turn nerves into excitement.
Speaker C:Oh, say that again.
Speaker A:Winning wrestlers will turn nerves into excitement.
Speaker A:Think about how nerves, like, stop you.
Speaker C:Anxiety, all that other kind of stuff, right?
Speaker A:Yeah, we turn that into excitement, the fear.
Speaker B:And I had a coach tell me one time that you're never going to get rid of the butterflies, but you're going to teach them to fly in formation.
Speaker A:Oh, I love this.
Speaker C:I love that.
Speaker C:There might be a mean there.
Speaker A:That's definitely a mean no to that one.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:All right, I'm going to replay the rev.
Speaker C:We're going to put that in there.
Speaker C:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:That's a good one.
Speaker B:What do you got next on the table?
Speaker C:There we go.
Speaker C:So let's just talk about.
Speaker C:I thought this was really interesting that that coach Stu.
Speaker C:Stu had sent me.
Speaker C:Sort of the thing that he gives was the parents right at the beginning of the season.
Speaker C:And I love this idea.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:That you Know, you're going to study the sport, you're going to be self disciplined enough to study the sport.
Speaker C:And so in this packet that Stu had given them was not only some of his ideas and kind of how he was going to coach the team and his philosophy and what was going on this year.
Speaker C:And he said, and by the way, here's a lot of other really cool resources for you to study if you want to really, you know, get a handle on the game itself.
Speaker C:And what he was really saying was, I don't know at all.
Speaker C:Okay, you can learn some great technique, wisdom points, you know, experience from these resources as well, you know, and again, I think that was just.
Speaker C:That was so beautiful because now, again, let's turn it back to our own life, right?
Speaker C:When's the last time you read a book?
Speaker C:When's the last time you sat down in a spiritual conversation?
Speaker C:When's the last time you.
Speaker C:You wrestle a little bit with, you know, the concepts and where you have.
Speaker C:When's the last time you thought outside that common box?
Speaker B:When's the last time you studied the people that you admire, that you respect, go study their lives?
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:See, this is.
Speaker C:These are.
Speaker C:Here's the life lessons that work.
Speaker A:That works.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And if parents do this, they'll be the best possible version of themselves for their wrestler.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker A:You know what their wrestler needs?
Speaker C:Yeah, no, I know.
Speaker B:It makes them a better parent.
Speaker B:It makes them a better human being.
Speaker B:Right, Mac?
Speaker B:I study you all the time, by the way.
Speaker C:Oh, gosh.
Speaker C:So, you know, these are.
Speaker C:I mean, we just.
Speaker C:I mean, what do we take here, 40ish minutes?
Speaker C:And kind of shared some really great stuff all across the spectrum, right?
Speaker C:From conceptual to, you know, boots on the ground stuff.
Speaker C:I mean, there's so much here.
Speaker C:I just hope you play this thing like two or three different times.
Speaker B:I'm feeling there's one more nugget.
Speaker B:Maybe we have time.
Speaker B:We have one for.
Speaker B:Come on.
Speaker B:I know the coaches just.
Speaker C:I think there might be one more that we got to make sure that we end on with all of this.
Speaker C:And so a really important a part of wrestling, I kind of put it right up there.
Speaker C:I didn't, I didn't put these in any order or any pecking order.
Speaker C:But I do think if I'm going to look in on the sport with my, you know, I mean, I'm not versed in it hardly at all.
Speaker C:But I do think that any wrestler that hits the mat, they got to be comfortable with wearing a snigglet.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker C:Don't you Think.
Speaker D:Okay.
Speaker A:Wearing.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's the Rev's term.
Speaker B:I'm never gonna lift that term, though.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:For the required uniform, which is called a singlet.
Speaker A:Yeah, Singlet.
Speaker A:Singlet, Snigglet.
Speaker A:Yeah, we.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker B:You know, I felt like a sniggler.
Speaker B:The only time I ever wrestled, I was a freshman in high school.
Speaker B:And they couldn't.
Speaker B:I was angry because they couldn't find anybody in my weight class.
Speaker B:There was nobody that weighed 80 pounds in high school.
Speaker C:They might not even had a sniggle at that time.
Speaker B:I was probably wearing a sniggle.
Speaker B:That's why nobody would wrestle me.
Speaker C:So anyway, guys, hope you had some fun with this.
Speaker C:I mean, there's a lot of fun involved with all of this, too.
Speaker C:Playing any sport, I believe.
Speaker C:You know, I do a lot of work with Habitat for Humanity, and when I get those people together that are volunteers out there, I say, what's the most important thing we're going to do today?
Speaker C:And, yeah, be safe.
Speaker C:Yeah, okay.
Speaker C:Build a house.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker C:And everybody comes up with this stuff, and it's all good.
Speaker C:But I said, no, not the number one thing.
Speaker C:The number one thing you want to do out here today is have fun.
Speaker C:Okay?
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:Don't go home.
Speaker C:I, like, go home if you're not having fun.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And that doesn't necessarily mean every second of every day, but in general, these kids gotta have fun, right?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:You know, I mean, that's what keeps them coming.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker C:You know.
Speaker A:Yeah, they.
Speaker A:A lot of the fun activities I do are teaching them important concepts.
Speaker A:Accept.
Speaker A:In the sport of wrestling.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker A:But they're having fun doing it.
Speaker A:So they don't even realize that they're learning something.
Speaker A:And all of a sudden that muscle memory is built, and then they do something.
Speaker A:And I said, see?
Speaker C:Yeah, that scored you a point.
Speaker A:You won that match.
Speaker C:And the smile goes.
Speaker A:Oh, that game we played.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:I'm like, that's all it was.
Speaker C:So have some fun.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:That's so creepy.
Speaker C:And when you're doing any kind of spiritual development, and that's a broad topic, we don't.
Speaker C:I mean, I can't go into it, but the point is it should be fun to.
Speaker C:It should be fun.
Speaker C:The revelation, the aha moments, the.
Speaker C:The learning, the, you know, just how.
Speaker B:You wrestle with yourself as you wrestle with God, as you wrestle with your theology.
Speaker B:Make it a fun thing.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Make it fun.
Speaker C:But if you're going to make it fun, and if you're going to do all sorts of these things.
Speaker C:We're going to challenge you.
Speaker C:Of course.
Speaker C:We got to challenge you.
Speaker C:All right, so your ongoing mission, should you choose to accept it, number one, is you go rogue.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:You got to think outside that box.
Speaker C:You got to be willing.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Number two, you got to find some like minded.
Speaker C:We talked about this archive of five or whatever it might be.
Speaker C:Find you some of your people.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Number three, you got to strap on the armor or the snake.
Speaker A:Or the single.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or the singlet.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:You got to strap it up.
Speaker A:And the headgear.
Speaker A:Don't forget that.
Speaker C:Don't forget because you know, you.
Speaker C:They're gonna take some tomatoes.
Speaker C:I mean, it's gonna be part of the whole thing, right?
Speaker C:And then what you need to do is storm the gates.
Speaker C:And what we mean by that always is you gotta storm the gates of complacency, you gotta storm the gates of mediocrity, you gotta storm the greats of what we've always done.
Speaker C:And we don't want to change.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker C:You've got to go against that.
Speaker C:And once you do that, you gotta unleash the unthinkable.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:That's what makes you a Roger.
Speaker C:There we go.
Speaker C:And there's our challenge to you.
Speaker C:That's what will make you wise.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker B:And if you'd like to pre order the coach's book.
Speaker A:I would.
Speaker B: $: Speaker C:Yeah, we'll keep it.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's coming out soon, so.
Speaker C:Thanks, guys.
Speaker C:Thanks, Coach Stu.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, this is fun.
Speaker A:I could.
Speaker A:I could talk.
Speaker A:We could go another four or five episodes with this topic for me.
Speaker C:Rev, thanks so much for the perspective, brother.
Speaker C:It's always so good.
Speaker C:He's so be good to be able to take a lot of this stuff that we talk about and bring it home, bring it into the spiritual realm.
Speaker C:And I so appreciate that.
Speaker C:Okay, so thank you guys.
Speaker C:Thanks for your love.
Speaker C:Thanks for your encouragement.
Speaker C:Grogers.
Speaker C:We appreciate you listening.
Speaker C:Come back and see us next week.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:We toast to you without a doubt and hope you have a great week.
Speaker C:We love you guys.
Speaker C:So we'll see you next week.
Speaker C:Take care.
Speaker D:Wow, you made it and can now unbuckle.
Speaker D:Thanks for.
Speaker D:Thanks for listening to spiritual Wrestling where the episode highlighted Coach Stu and used his wrestling expertise to model the sports principles to help us cultivate a higher spirituality.
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