Holy Cow! Fresh Takes on the Good Book.
Get ready to have your mind stretched as we dive into some seriously intriguing perspectives on the Bible! We're tackling this ancient text from both an ancient and modern angle, and let me tell you, we just might be shaking up your sacred cows along the way. But hey, that’s what we’re all about—exploring new ways to experience God and expanding our understanding of faith. Whether you're a Bible-thumping believer or just curious about the good book, we're here to rattle some cages (with love, of course) and invite you to look at things a little differently. So, grab a comfy seat, maybe a snack, and join us for this enlightening conversation that promises to be as rich as it is thought-provoking!
Takeaways:
- Exploring the Bible from both ancient and modern perspectives can shake up your faith.
- Messing with your sacred cows might just lead to a deeper understanding of God.
- The Bible isn't just a historical document; it's a collection of wisdom that evolves with us.
- Your interpretation of the Bible can be as unique as you are—embrace it!
- Reading the Bible doesn't require strict adherence; it's about personal growth and understanding.
- Different lenses can reveal new meanings, so don’t hesitate to mix up your approach.
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Speaker B:So how you doing, man?
Speaker B:I'm glad to have you guys with us.
Speaker B:I'm your host.
Speaker B:And in this episode, we're going to offer some perspectives on the bi b L E.
Speaker B:Right, The Bible.
Speaker B:We're going to wade into that maybe from both an ancient and the modern, and I say the word interpretation, but it has to do more with perspective and necessarily how we're doing a different interpreting from languages or anything that might be.
Speaker B:We may be messing with one of your sacred cows.
Speaker B:Could be.
Speaker C:You know, sacred cows make the best hammered.
Speaker B:Oh, here we go.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But because the book is so set the Christianity, I think we think it's.
Speaker B:It's going to be a really cool conversation and it's healthy to examine your current beliefs in relation to possible new ways to experience God.
Speaker B:Are you thinking about that?
Speaker B:I asked you if you turned this off.
Speaker B:You wouldn't know, right?
Speaker B:So welcome my God with me this week.
Speaker B:Coach 2's in the house back.
Speaker A:Hey, man, I gotta.
Speaker A:I gotta be honest.
Speaker A:Hey, Rev.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I'm like a little.
Speaker A:I'm looking a little nervous to me, because I know there's some listeners out there that personally know me.
Speaker A:I'm a little nervous talking about the Bible, but I'm gonna do it.
Speaker A:You guys know, you're so lucky.
Speaker A:So let me say hello to those people.
Speaker A:Hello and hello to all of you beautiful, beautiful, exotic cocktails, which is YouTube.
Speaker C:And you and us.
Speaker A:Hello, everybody.
Speaker A:Hello.
Speaker A:Hello.
Speaker B:Yeah, so, yeah.
Speaker B:So, you know, here's what I think is really cool about what Coach Stu just said, okay?
Speaker B:That I've known him for a long time, okay.
Speaker B:And I have seen over the years how he has looked at the Bible and how it was 10, 12 years ago and how things over the time, and it's really a really cool journey.
Speaker B:And, you know, Rev's got his take on the Bible as well, and I think you're going to really enjoy this enlightenment.
Speaker B:And I'm going to use that word really lightly.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I'm going to just say that we've, you know, hey, we've had some aha moments.
Speaker B:It's the same thing we've had some aha moments when it comes to the Bible that I think you're going to enjoy as we can.
Speaker C:Well, you know, it's really important for us to understand is that we're not here to tear down anybody's experience, relationship with any book or any spiritual ideal.
Speaker C:It's just to maybe add to, you know, so if we dance on the edge of tearing something down, but that's not our intent, please forgive me.
Speaker C:The reality is just to add to, to make that document, to make that experience even richer and more beautiful.
Speaker C:And if you don't like it, you don't have to take it.
Speaker C:That's okay, right?
Speaker B:Well, that's a really good point that we're just trying to share some of the things that have changed our life and we like to leave for the better.
Speaker B:That doesn't mean it's going to necessarily.
Speaker B:It's beautiful.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right, how about words of wisdom?
Speaker C:Can we do it?
Speaker A:All right, here we go.
Speaker C:Not necessarily in my household, my mother in law, you'd apologize.
Speaker C:And she makes me want to apologize 20 more times.
Speaker B:Well, there's good intent behind it.
Speaker C:There is good intent.
Speaker B:Good intent.
Speaker B:You know, you really gotta have that last word, make it be I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Well, two words, I'm sorry.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Okay, so think about that.
Speaker B:Those words sometimes don't come so easy.
Speaker A:That's true, that's true.
Speaker B:They just have to just for whatever reason, ego, whatever.
Speaker C:Well, what's underneath the apology is, are the words I love you really can be the final word that you both have together.
Speaker C:Let's find that agreement.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker B:I agree.
Speaker A:Well, instead of continuing like a conflict or trying to prove a point, which you know, a lot of us do in conversation, an apology can bring closure, you know, and resolution do it, you know, it still allows you to have the last word, funny enough, but it's in a way that like promotes like peace and understanding.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:So think about that.
Speaker B:Yeah, words of listen for you.
Speaker B:There it is out there.
Speaker B:All right, so the Bible.
Speaker C:Little Johnny was in the corner.
Speaker B:So the Bible, beautiful, beautiful ancient book of wisdom.
Speaker B:We, we value it greatly.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But maybe we just for some of you out there, we're going to spend just a few minutes in the beginning of this just to give you some context.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Certainly for Christians this is going to be somewhat familiar, but maybe not for those of you that maybe won't aren't Christians.
Speaker B:You know, we're just going to give you a little foundation that we're going to build off of here.
Speaker B:It's certainly not a full Bible explanation or anything like that.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But really what we're talking about, we're just talking about a collection of 66 books, if we can call that the Protestants have 66, the Catholics add four to the new Testament.
Speaker B:So you have an Old Testament and you have a New Testament.
Speaker C:I like to say it's the Older Testament and the Newer Testament, older.
Speaker C:Equally beneficial if you look.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, yeah, I didn't want to.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:Didn't want to imply that.
Speaker B:That one's thin.
Speaker B:This one's, you know.
Speaker B:Oh, boy.
Speaker B:We can get into all sorts of different discussions about this.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But common scholarly, you know, investigation says that there was an oral tradition of the Bible which is typical of ancient cultures anyway, that was passed along until about the 7th century when they BCE when they first started writing it down.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So it was oral, passed along and then started to be written around the 7th century BCE and then written down maybe to about the last book of the Old Testament was.
Speaker B:Was written around 165 BC.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So I mean, these are, you know, let's not get hung up on the exact dates or anything like that.
Speaker B:The point is that they were written.
Speaker B:The books of the Old Testament were written a certain period and then there was sort of like this silent period, if you will, until the advent of Christ and coming and when now the New Testament.
Speaker B:So then you have the bi b L E book.
Speaker B:I mean, the thing.
Speaker B:These are a bunch of separate little, you know, writings and everything that they would pass along and.
Speaker B:325, there was a council that Constantine called, right.
Speaker B:Because he was tired of everybody arguing about this kind of stuff.
Speaker B:And so he said, get together.
Speaker B:I'm gonna.
Speaker B:I'm gonna oversee this whole conversation and we're gonna just establish some doctrine and we're gonna establish, you know, what we're gonna use in the writings and what we're not.
Speaker B:I mean, it was.
Speaker B:Here's the.
Speaker C:This is canonized.
Speaker C:This is knowledge pushing in essence back to our previous episode is a God card in and of itself.
Speaker B:Yeah, you.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker A:Well, do you remember, do you remember, like, why this council was put together?
Speaker A:Like there was a controversy going on.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That was that guy's name, that area and Arie Barius.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because he was.
Speaker A:He was a priest that taught that Jesus was created by God and the Father was not fully divine.
Speaker A:So that was kind of, you know, they wanted to put that to rest.
Speaker B:Correct.
Speaker A:So that's why.
Speaker A:That's one of the reasons they brought this Council together.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:This conversation.
Speaker B:Well, what Sue's bringing up, and this is exactly true, that there was lots of different opinions about Jesus.
Speaker B:Jesus, you know, all of it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Don't think for a minute that as the church started out and moved through the first few centuries, that everybody was locked up with everybody else, and everybody thought the same way that everybody else thought, and they all could call themselves Christians.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:But there was a lot of discord, and they just wanted to finally say, you're out, you're in.
Speaker B:Let's move on.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker A:They wanted to unify everybody because there.
Speaker B:Was conflict going on, get everybody thinking the same way.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:An intention could be a good thing, a holy thing.
Speaker B:True.
Speaker C:And an intention could also not.
Speaker C:Well, but you need to think the way we think.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:So this is the established truth, and if you say something different, then you are yours of hell.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:You're heretic.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So, yes, there was a lot of stu.
Speaker B:Say, there's a lot of that going on there, too.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But again, one of the main things that they also did do to codify this is what we're going to use for our scripture.
Speaker B:So that's kind of a.
Speaker B:You know, that's a history of how it got put together, where it came from, the writings, you know, they were various.
Speaker B:Again, we're not going to get into the weeds on all of that.
Speaker B:You can study that.
Speaker B:This isn't meant for that.
Speaker B:We're just trying to give you a history that we have this book that God produced, and it got produced under lots of conflict, lots of disagreement, and they had to negotiate.
Speaker B:They had to negotiate out what we typically read today in whatever form we read it.
Speaker B:And we're going to talk about that.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:So there are no things like the Gnostic gospels, Hippocrypha.
Speaker C:Oh, God.
Speaker C:Set aside.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:There's a lot of stuff that just said, no, sorry, we don't shield.
Speaker B:We don't really think that is in alignment with the truth.
Speaker B:That was their soul.
Speaker A:If you think about what their intent was, their.
Speaker A:I can only imagine their thinking was, will this unify us or not?
Speaker A:I think that's where they were going.
Speaker A:If I'm being, like, fair in.
Speaker A:In what they were trying to do.
Speaker C:You're a much better.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker C:You're a much better man than I am.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, and I would love to believe that's what the only intent that was there.
Speaker A:You know, let's just say that that's a possibility.
Speaker C:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker A:All right, here we go.
Speaker C:Willie, Nick, I'll think about that and I'll get back.
Speaker A:Holy God.
Speaker B:The thing about that is where if you read the story, if you read the history, that.
Speaker B:That's true too.
Speaker B:That is very true.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, what happened was.
Speaker B:So there.
Speaker B:There was the.
Speaker B:Therefore.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So therefore we decided A, if you're a B, we're not going to respect the B, and as a matter of fact, we're going to squash it.
Speaker B:All right?
Speaker B:And we're going to burn all the stuff that you have been writing and the way you've been thinking.
Speaker C:Well, yeah, not just burn the stuff you've been writing to burn you.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, that too, too.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So anyway, yes, they were trying to unify, but you know, they were trying to.
Speaker B:On virtuos, you know, contrary to it as well.
Speaker B:So it's hard times back there.
Speaker B:And you know, the thing is, you can carry this all the way through even to very modern times.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Not necessarily today, but I'm talking, you know, the way that we've used the Bible over history.
Speaker B:So I know we get really stroke quickly, a little bit more knowledge.
Speaker B:Focus a little more on me.
Speaker B:What are we thinking about it today?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:What are we thinking about this book?
Speaker B:How does it enter into our culture today?
Speaker B:And we're talking about our culture as Americans.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Let me just make a very broad statement that says I can ask that question, and I have to ask it very definitively.
Speaker B:What does the American Western culture typically look at the Bible as from a Christian standpoint, if you will, or other faiths, as opposed to even any place else around the world?
Speaker B:Because there's a syncretization there that goes on that isn't necessarily same as we practice right here in America.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Different cultures, different ways of thinking might have a different perspective.
Speaker A:So your perspective could determine, like, what you're going to get out of it.
Speaker A:And there could could be different perspectives depending on your culture, where you grew up, what, you know, what you were taught.
Speaker A:So I mean, that's just.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's common.
Speaker A:Like, it's not.
Speaker A:That's not a good or bad thing.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Well, what I like to do is.
Speaker C:Regardless of the intention of the people who put it together, regardless of how that book is used by anybody else, I find it to be an incredibly beautiful piece of literature that has made my life a better place.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:That there is good there, whether it's historical or whether it's allegorical or metaphorical, whether it really happened or didn't.
Speaker C:I can look at those words and gather something to my life.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Amen.
Speaker C:But that's, I think that's.
Speaker C:That's not a minority, that's a majority opinion.
Speaker C:It's got value.
Speaker C:Some of my other opinions might be in the minority, but how that Bible is viewed as an inerrant word of God.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:Well, then again, yeah, we're asking what we.
Speaker B:We're going to offer some perspectives on.
Speaker A:Yeah, we're going to get.
Speaker A:We're going to get to that.
Speaker A:I mean, the, the one way.
Speaker A:Another way people will look at this is you could look at the Bible literally or you could, you know, and factually.
Speaker A:I mean, there's.
Speaker A:And, and parts are, I think in it, parts are meant to be taken literal.
Speaker A:Like there's some historical events in there.
Speaker A:There's some, you know, moral laws.
Speaker A:There's like ten Commandments, and there's like the, you know, Sermon on the Mountain.
Speaker A:I think that stuff is meant to be.
Speaker A:Some of that is meant to be literal, especially the history that's in there.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And then some parts are metaphorical and symbolic.
Speaker A:And, you know, you have poetry in there.
Speaker B:People.
Speaker A:I don't know if everybody realizes that.
Speaker A:Like, there's beautiful poetry in there.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker A:There's metaphors, there's.
Speaker A:I think most people know what parables are because when you talk about the things Jesus was, the stories he was telling, many of them were parables.
Speaker A:They weren't necessarily a.
Speaker A:A story of.
Speaker A:Of fact that happened.
Speaker A:But it's like, I'm trying to get across a point.
Speaker A:I want you to learn something.
Speaker A:I want you to grow.
Speaker A:I want you to be more connected to God.
Speaker A:Here's a story that'll help you to.
Speaker B:Do that, to relate.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:So sometimes the story is not even relating to God.
Speaker C:It's just to be a better human being.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Here's how you can be better.
Speaker A:A better person.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And positively impact, you know, the world.
Speaker A:I mean, and it's.
Speaker A:But it's, you know, so it doesn't.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker A:So to me, I mean, that stuff is all beautiful, the way you put it.
Speaker A:Agree.
Speaker A:Rev.
Speaker A:I, you know, I love it.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:Then I can look at those things differently and not be, you know, affected by that in any.
Speaker A:Any way, you know, beautifully.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And I think that's the beauty of the book, that it can be gridded in our.
Speaker B:Each individual world as well us in the collective.
Speaker B:And sometimes here in the west, we mess that up.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We tend to think about how we know the Bible and how we study it.
Speaker B:And how we, you know, repeat the verses and how we, you know, use the truth that's in there.
Speaker B:And it's very individualistic.
Speaker A:Right, Right.
Speaker C:And that's really important to me is that your interpretation will be different than mine.
Speaker C:You may do and take it literally, and I don't.
Speaker C:I'm not going to tell you you're wrong.
Speaker C:If it's making you and making the world a better place as a result of how you interpret it, keep doing it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Don't change that.
Speaker C:I'm not going to tear you down, but I'm going to also ask you not to tear me down because my interpretation is different.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:What I think, Rev, is, is important to differentiate is I think when people say I take the Bible literally, like, they're talking about the whole thing.
Speaker A:Like, to me, it's.
Speaker A:You've got to break these things down.
Speaker A:Like, I'm, like, I was talking about, like, there's parts that are.
Speaker A:There's parts.
Speaker A:Parts that aren't.
Speaker A:And I think that's okay.
Speaker A:It doesn't take away from anything that's.
Speaker A:That's written in there.
Speaker A:So you had mentioned earlier about there are people that believe that it's inerrant, it's divinely inspired, which, you know, and I think that some of those perspectives are different amongst different groups of Christians.
Speaker A:You know, like, I think, like Catholic and like Orthodox Christianity, I think they look at it like it's inspired and authoritative and.
Speaker A:But here's the thing, because I grew up Catholic.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:The church helps you to interpret it.
Speaker A:They're going to tell you what.
Speaker A:What they want you.
Speaker A:But I'm not saying that in a negative way.
Speaker A:This is what they do.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, I grew up in it, so I know.
Speaker A:I know what it's like.
Speaker C:Well, it's back to the original conversation, just trying to unify the people in the church.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:In that common direction.
Speaker A:So then if you look at, like, evangelical, Evangelical, like Protestantism, you know, they hold it to be inerrant, like the Bible is without air.
Speaker A:Like, that's how I see that, that group of people.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like, there's also, like, mainline Protestantism and.
Speaker A:And, you know, they believe the Bible is inspired, but not necessarily free from, like, human, you know, elements or heirs or what.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:What have you.
Speaker A:And then you have more of, like, liberal Christianity where it's.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And I kind of like this perspective.
Speaker A:It's important spiritual text, but it may contain errors or cultural biases in it, and that's okay.
Speaker A:Like, so that's another.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So to me, when I was thinking about this, like if it's an Aaron or divinely inspired and all of that, I think that depending on.
Speaker A:I think there's different Christian perspectives in this regard.
Speaker A:And I'm just talking about Christian respectives perspectives.
Speaker A:I'm not talking about anybody else outside of that realm and what they can.
Speaker C:Look at that Bible as incredible literature, not be a Christian, see the value in the words, poetry, in the ideas that are being shared there.
Speaker C:I know atheist that can read the Bible with me and find just as much meaning as I do.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I think one more thing, Mac.
Speaker A:I think that, I think all of those traditions believe that there was some divine inspiration.
Speaker A:I mean, I feel that like when I'm being creative, I, you know, God, it.
Speaker A:God's a part of me.
Speaker A:So I feel like I'm, you know, divinely inspired with some of the things that I.
Speaker A:That I do and say.
Speaker A:And you know, and sometimes like even in coaching, something that doesn't even seem like it would be, you know, something that would be that important.
Speaker A:Like when I.
Speaker A:And I'm not saying coaching isn't important, it is.
Speaker A:But like there's things sometimes that come out of me, out of my mouth, wow, what I need to bing hold and the coach, you know, and it.
Speaker A:But, you know, so I kind of feel like, you know what I mean?
Speaker B:I mean, I know we did an episode on this.
Speaker B:We talked about the God qualities.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker B:That are innate in us as well.
Speaker B:And creativity is certainly more.
Speaker B:All right, so if you look upon that beautiful book of writings, there's a whole lot of creativity that went into that.
Speaker B:And you don't have to filter it through a Christian perspective by any means.
Speaker B:Exclusive.
Speaker C:And you also don't have to filter it through a cynical perspective or lens either.
Speaker C:If you're going into it looking for the, the inerrancies, you're going to find they're all over the place.
Speaker C:If you're going to look for the things that could be interpreted just like in any scripture, that could be used as a weapon, they're there.
Speaker C:They are absolutely there.
Speaker C:But I'm saying what is the intent going into the study?
Speaker C:What is the intent going into the relationship with this literature?
Speaker C:It's an intention for love, for.
Speaker C:For community or family, for an understanding and a feeling of God, you're going to find it there.
Speaker B:Oh, it's there.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:And it's a pendant.
Speaker B:I think Stu said this in the beginning, that your perspective on it determine what you get out of it, you know, and so you've got to.
Speaker B:So you've got to.
Speaker B:We recommend, we would encourage, we've been there before kindness kind of thing to say.
Speaker B:Like the Rob Bell thing says, look, read the Bible, read the story, read the passage, read the book, read whatever it is you're going to read and then ask the question, why is it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What am I to learn from it?
Speaker C:You know, why does this matter to me today?
Speaker B:Don't.
Speaker B:You don't have to try to justify.
Speaker B:Because you're going to spend way more energy and time chasing your tail trying to figure out how to make it make sense.
Speaker B:If you're going to strictly treat it as in.
Speaker B:And factory the whole thing now.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You're going to spend way too much time trying to justify that, and then you're going to end up throwing a car.
Speaker A:The way I kind of look at it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Is I can.
Speaker A:I can learn what I'm supposed to learn from it and grow the way I'm supposed to grow from it, whether it's inerrant or not.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, either way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, because, you know, the inerrancy part is debated.
Speaker A:I mean, some see it that way.
Speaker A:It's free of air, and that's okay.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:And I mean, that's okay if that's what you think.
Speaker A:I mean, to me, that's okay because you're.
Speaker A:As long as you're getting what you're supposed to get from it.
Speaker A:But other people believe it's just spiritually true, but not necessarily factually perfect, and that's okay for them.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker C:You know, go ahead, finish.
Speaker A:No, I was just that I'm just.
Speaker A:That's what I was.
Speaker A:To me, what's important is.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:What you what, like Maxim?
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:Why is it there?
Speaker A:What are you supposed to.
Speaker A:To learn from it, gain from it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:How you can become a better person.
Speaker C:We can get so far into the weeds of whether it's true, whether it happened this way or didn't that way.
Speaker C:It is the historical document for me of the evolution of human consciousness that is continuing.
Speaker C:So the story didn't end when the book was finished and it was canonized.
Speaker C:No, the story is happening today.
Speaker C:And so it's really, really important to me to quit arguing about who did what, why they did it, what.
Speaker C:What they're talking about, and just get into the place of I'm evolving by taking this story and putting it into my heart and living it today.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:It's a living document.
Speaker A:Well, there's.
Speaker A:There, there's.
Speaker A:There's virtually like.
Speaker A:No, I mean, I think we've been saying this, but there's like no one size fits fits all interpretation of this.
Speaker A:And, and anybody that, that has might want to debate that.
Speaker A:I'll just tell you this, everybody.
Speaker A:And this isn't me trying to change your mind.
Speaker A:I'm not saying you guys, but anybody out there is.
Speaker A:I mean, we're all different.
Speaker A:We're all unique.
Speaker A:We're all exotic cocktails.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:We all have our own unique personal relationship with God and Jesus.
Speaker A:So how could you say one size fits all when we're all so unique?
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:I mean it's going to be a personal understanding that you have interpretation of what it means to means to you.
Speaker A:And I think that's okay.
Speaker C:It is absolutely okay.
Speaker C:And when I'm going to speak to the roguers out there, to the wise guys out there, if you're in a place where they're telling you this is the truth, the whole truth and nothing truth, and you have to regurgitate exactly what we're teaching you.
Speaker C:I'm saying run as fast as you can awaken because you're shutting down your unique individual relationship with the infinite and the divine and that beautiful.
Speaker B:You just, you know, well, Ltd.
Speaker B:The is.
Speaker B:Remember we talked about that?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:When you do that, right.
Speaker B:You just limit the whole working of the Holy Spirit in your life because the minute you think you have God figured out, chances are you don't.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:And for some people that, that kind of organization or church works for them.
Speaker C:I'm not bashing that.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:You know, but for me, I'm sick.
Speaker C:I would run out of there because I can shut down.
Speaker C:But sometimes a secondhand religion is just fine for some people.
Speaker C:And I want to be okay with that.
Speaker B:We need to be okay with that.
Speaker B:But we want to say to you out there, the reason we're doing this is if that's you, we're perfectly okay with it.
Speaker B:That's you, that's you.
Speaker B:But if you're open minded enough to say, geez, I haven't ever thought of it in that way.
Speaker C:I haven't ever looked at the corner of your mind.
Speaker B:Yeah, just entertain, ruminate on it, discuss it with other people.
Speaker B:Because this is a communal thing.
Speaker B:The Bible was never intended to just be about you and just be about me and my understanding of it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:It's a communal thing that we grow way better if, if we're doing it together.
Speaker C:That's why it becomes a living, breathing document for me.
Speaker C:I'd Say the best Bible studies I've been in is when everybody had a different view of what that story was saying.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And through their lens.
Speaker C:And I got better meaning from it just by listening to what you got from it.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker B:I love that place to.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's a good place to just park for a second.
Speaker B:We're going to take a little bit of a break.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So we talked a little bit about history, the Bible a little bit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:How are we looking at it right now?
Speaker B:And then I think when we come back from the break, we're gonna maybe open again.
Speaker B:We're gonna open your mind up a little bit more, free your life and let you maybe hear and consider maybe some different, you know, ways now that you can look at it that might be a little foreign to you, but I think can really enhance your spiritual and your connection with the divine.
Speaker B:So we'll be right back.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm officially nervous.
Speaker A:I gotta hear this one back to know, like, if I'm.
Speaker B:Oh, man, thank you.
Speaker B:I don't think you said anything there.
Speaker A:Well, you know, people will make assumptions.
Speaker A:I almost wanted to say, hey, if you have some thoughts about what I've said, please, and you know me, please come talk to me.
Speaker A:I almost wanted to say that, you know, because there could be assumptions that are being made.
Speaker A:I was nervous about most of this.
Speaker A:I mean, but I mean, it's not that I don't.
Speaker A:I mean, it's not that I don't, you know, believe it.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm not saying stuff that's on untrue to me.
Speaker A:I just feel.
Speaker A:Because I feel like there's.
Speaker A:There needs to be more conversation.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:It's kind of like a quick.
Speaker B:Well, I mean, we can kind of give that little asterisk.
Speaker B:We can give that little caveat that says, man, we just, you know, this is a broad brushstroke.
Speaker B:But the biggest reason why we're doing this is to tweak.
Speaker B:You get to understand that there is a broader.
Speaker B:Different ways to look.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's like.
Speaker A:Like to.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:What I said upstairs was, I don't want to be involved in an adventure of missing the point.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker A:And I almost said out loud, you know, whether it's in errand or not, I don't care.
Speaker A:But I didn't want to say that strongly because it's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's more about, like.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:What I'm learning is what's more important than whether, you know, well, Whether there's something.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Whether it's something accurate or whatever.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker A:So anyway, I'm just telling you how I'm feeling.
Speaker A:I'm, like, bouncing my feet over here.
Speaker B:It might spur some conversations, maybe.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, I think it's important to kind of maybe even own that on the list, you know, the guy at the other end of the table saying some things I don't really agree with.
Speaker C:That's okay.
Speaker C:But we're just.
Speaker C:We're figuring this out together.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You can just say, you know, I really kind of know what you.
Speaker B:Wait, this is over.
Speaker A:I think I said that at one point.
Speaker C:I promise I won't come in and say, you know, God spoke to me and said that this is about to speak right now.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker C:Because.
Speaker B:Yeah, we'd have to say.
Speaker B:Okay, drop the mic.
Speaker B:There it is.
Speaker B:Todd said it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Truly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, my God.
Speaker A:The red.
Speaker A:And it's the red if the Rev throws.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, we are.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker A:You better listen.
Speaker C:You probably have friends.
Speaker C:The fact that you're just sharing a table with me, you're already worried about you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like me.
Speaker B:Oh, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker B:I heard some kind of.
Speaker B:No, wait.
Speaker A:I'm ready to go.
Speaker B:Here we are.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Welcome back to the Wise Guys podcast, where in this episode, we have a little history on it.
Speaker B:We've talked a little bit in the first half about how we tend to maybe look at it from a conventional standpoint, you know, in.
Speaker B:In Western Christianity, if you will.
Speaker B:And these were broad brushstrokes, obviously.
Speaker B:We're.
Speaker B:We can't get into the depths.
Speaker B:We can't mine it all out.
Speaker B:There's way too much.
Speaker B:But we're going to spend the rest of the time on the.
Speaker B:On the episode maybe giving you some ideas on how you might want to consider incorporating, you know, massaging your particular view that we think might be constructive, that we might help you to come to understand and kind of connect with the divine and one another.
Speaker B:Isn't that.
Speaker C:You know, I'd like to say that I've read the book from COVID to cover.
Speaker C:That would be a lie.
Speaker C:I get stuck in numbers and Leviticus, and I said, you know, this doesn't need to happen here right now.
Speaker C:But I have done the New Testament, and what I have found is that each time I approach it, I want to have a new mind, new thought, a new new eyes, and a new heart, to interpret it a little bit differently than I did the last time.
Speaker C:And each interpretation, whether it be literal, metaphysical, metaphorical, as poetry, as story, as literature, or as myutic, which is.
Speaker C:I just talked about how it applies in my life.
Speaker C:It has value.
Speaker C:Looking at it through five, six different pairs of glasses.
Speaker C:And over time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And at any given moment, I'll go back and read it literally, and it still has value.
Speaker C:I'll go back and read it as the.
Speaker C:As if it's the inerrant word of God.
Speaker C:Suspend the judgment.
Speaker C:Those glasses bring meaning to me.
Speaker C:And then I go.
Speaker C:Let me just do metaphorical What's.
Speaker C:What's the meaning behind the words?
Speaker C:That has value as well.
Speaker C:It does not mean that one is wrong or one is bad or one is evil.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker C:It's gathering the treasure that is there from many different aspects.
Speaker A:Oh, I love that.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker A:I need to reference a movie.
Speaker A:It's been a long time.
Speaker B:Have you seen.
Speaker A:Have you guys seen National Treasure?
Speaker A:Okay, so if you remember, there is a.
Speaker A:There's words and a map and all this in the back of the Constitution.
Speaker A:Constitution, right.
Speaker A:But the way he has to read it, I don't remember this.
Speaker A:Ben Franklin made those glasses that had all the different lenses, and depending on which lens you.
Speaker A:You push down, it would show you different things on there.
Speaker A:It's kind of.
Speaker A:When you were describing this rev, what you were talking about, like how you're viewing all this.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was kind of imagining that, like using different lenses to kind of see.
Speaker A:You know, you read it this way, then boom, you put that lens down, now you see something different, etc.
Speaker C:There's value in all those lenses.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Value in all those interpretations.
Speaker A:And there's something new.
Speaker A:There's something interesting in there.
Speaker B:Well, what I like about that analogy to you, too, is it's hidden from you until either you've read certain things that you can then go, aha.
Speaker B:Oh, I understand that better.
Speaker B:Or now that frames it a little differently for me.
Speaker B:I mean, it's, you know, not that the Bible or God or anybody's trying to hide something.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Just that you can't see a different perspective.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Maybe a different way of looking at it.
Speaker B:You can't see it.
Speaker A:And that could be through somebody else early through glasses.
Speaker A:Could be through the Rev or through Mac or through the Coach.
Speaker A:You know, we could see something a little different.
Speaker C:You know, I kind of have a bad rapa to people who say, go to a church and say, this is what this.
Speaker C:The Bible means.
Speaker C:Read it this way here at the glasses that you put on, there's still value there.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker C:You can go ahead and Get.
Speaker C:I called it secondhand.
Speaker C:That probably wasn't fair.
Speaker C:It's you showing me value that I would not have seen otherwise.
Speaker C:Now where I draw the line is when they say these are the only.
Speaker A:Glasses you can wear.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker C:You need to put on a different lens and read it a different way.
Speaker C:And the people who have encouraged me to do that have created such a garden of beauty in that book that I never would have seen had I not stretched my mind, gone to the edge of what it means, or accepted somebody else's set of glasses.
Speaker B:The open minded thing we talk about is seeing differently.
Speaker C:It made Jesus more real to me.
Speaker C:It made him more my brother, more my savior, to be totally honest.
Speaker C:And I don't really call him that.
Speaker C:But the reality is putting on a different pair of glasses and looking at him brought him to a place where I could have a relationship that was deeper than what I learned in the Methodist Church.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:Is this what God wants for us?
Speaker A:Yeah, this is.
Speaker A:This is what Jesus came and taught us to do.
Speaker A:How to connect with, with God, with the Creator, with.
Speaker B:If this can help you and do that, then this is what we want to try to convey.
Speaker B:We hope you're getting some of these valuable nuggets out of this because that's what it's all about.
Speaker B:The greater we personally can understand and communally together can understand God the divine.
Speaker B:How does it interact?
Speaker B:How does God, cosmos.
Speaker B:Because we're all one.
Speaker B:I mean, it's just, it's about unity, it's about oneness, and we just don't see it that way.
Speaker B:A lot of times we need to wake up to it and this is a beautiful book in order to help us do it.
Speaker A:So let me tell you something.
Speaker A:I have a relationship with the Bible and it's based on trust because I, because I find what's in there trustworthy to me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And how do you build trust?
Speaker C:Personal experience.
Speaker A:Yes, for sure.
Speaker B:All right, Write that.
Speaker B:That makes.
Speaker B:I can adopt that.
Speaker B:Oh, that lets me understand God a little bit more.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:You know, I love those.
Speaker C:I have friends who are agnostics or atheists.
Speaker C:We can sit down and we can read some of those Bible stories and they have meaning for them.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:By taking all of the stuff, the esoteric stuff out that they can't get their head around, it still has value.
Speaker B:Absolutely right.
Speaker B:Oh yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's timeless wisdom.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:It doesn't mean timeless wisdom, Christian wisdom.
Speaker B:It doesn't mean timeless, you know, Muslim, you know, wisdom.
Speaker B:It's timeless wisdom that we can all benefit.
Speaker B:Just regret.
Speaker C:And I, I'm going to maybe go on a line and be a little more offensive.
Speaker C:But you mentioned you brought the Muslims in.
Speaker C:The Quran can be read the same way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And so can the Bhagavad Gita and the, all the Buddhist scriptures.
Speaker C:You can read it and get value from it.
Speaker C:If you suspend the glasses that say it's of the devil or it's wrong or it's bad.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:It doesn't match my book.
Speaker C:That's where we separate people and there is no unity in that.
Speaker C:Gospels are being written, Gospels are being spoken, Gospels are being taught from pulpits everywhere.
Speaker C:But that have not been written yet.
Speaker C:They're still, God is still speaking to us.
Speaker C:And when we can put a pair of glasses on to be open to how God is showing up on the planet today, what books are being written today, that's where I draw my line.
Speaker C:Because there isn't only one book that can be read that way and God can be revealed.
Speaker A:Well, if you believe God is in everyone and everything.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker A:Would that exclude any of those things?
Speaker A:I mean, you know, it's like the same, it's kind of the same thinking that you would, you would, when you're talking to like an atheist, right?
Speaker A:Like I would and I have atheist friends and I would tell them like look, you don't have to believe in God to get something out of the Bible.
Speaker A:I mean it, there's, there's, you read some of the stories, there's lessons and wisdom and there's some beautiful poetry.
Speaker A:If you just want to read some, some beautiful poetry and just have that experience, you know, I mean you can get something out of it, you know.
Speaker A:And I think that's what the rev is saying about some of these other, other contacts or these other, you know.
Speaker C:If you come to an, you take the word Lord and you go back to what it was originally intended to be, its law.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker C:Now an atheist, a hurt based tradition can look at the word law and it means something completely different than this Lord, this energy that's lording over you.
Speaker C:It's just the laws of the universe.
Speaker C:It's the laws of the earth.
Speaker C:It's working in your favor.
Speaker C:It's just a matter of the lenses that you're wearing and the interpretation you have.
Speaker C:There's beauty there.
Speaker B:Well, I think what we're saying in general is you can take any religious practice across the board and you can put that label to the side.
Speaker B:I'm a Christian, I'm a Buddhist, I'm a Hindu, I'M an atheist.
Speaker B:I'm a.
Speaker B:Whatever, put the label over there and just pick the book up as a person, as a group, you don't have to put within the religious you've grown up in.
Speaker B:You know, you can't.
Speaker B:But I'm just saying.
Speaker C:And others will try to do that, but it does not make you bad.
Speaker B:Or evil or wrong or of the.
Speaker C:Devil or all this stuff because you picked up a book to see if there's value there.
Speaker B:Sure, yeah.
Speaker B:I think, it's just, I just think that one of the main things that Jesus came to teaches how to connect with his example.
Speaker B:And one of the great ways you can choose to do that is through the wisdom in the Bible and through the way that God reveal itself, himself, herself to you through the truth in the book.
Speaker B:You know, and let's just.
Speaker B:I did a meme a long time ago that said, how closely do you.
Speaker B:Your parents just be careful because it's a short jump.
Speaker B:So, you know, think about that first, be a little more gracious.
Speaker B:You can still adopt and you can still hold on to whatever, you know, theology or view of the Bible that you want to.
Speaker B:Our suggestion for the over the course of our lives has been be gracious with others.
Speaker C:There's always a lot more good that.
Speaker B:Comes from an open hand than it.
Speaker C:Does from a closed hand for you and for others.
Speaker C:When I approach sharing what's changed my life or what's informed my life with closed hands, there's no wonder the message doesn't get out.
Speaker C:With an open hand, love can be exchanged and meaning and poetry and goodness can be exchanged.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:I'll tell you what, it's much more fun for me to look for connections with people than to try to identify ways that we're different or how to disconnect.
Speaker A:I mean, it's just because it, it, I, I always feel the same thing when I find that connection.
Speaker A:Like, oh, man, like, you get excited, like, you know, I read that book, or I, you know, whatever it is, that connection.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Hike that mountain.
Speaker A:You know, I mean, it's like exciting.
Speaker A:And it could be this one little thing that seems like it's not meaningful.
Speaker A:Guess what?
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:Because it connected you with them.
Speaker A:And we need to do that more.
Speaker C:People whose purpose it is to unite will find ways to unite, and people whose purpose it is to divide will absolutely find ways to divide.
Speaker C:And I think religiously it can go both ways.
Speaker C:Spiritually, it can go, oh boy, it's.
Speaker C:I want to hang around with people.
Speaker C:That's why I'm at this table because you guys are Uniters.
Speaker C:Yeah, you're, you're, you're embracers and your huggers as opposed to close fist if.
Speaker B:I hunt the bloody knuckles.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So great discussion in this episode, guys.
Speaker B:Maybe we, maybe we kind of a little bit of your current out there.
Speaker B:We hope you're, you're at least receptive and learning certain new things.
Speaker B:We'd love to hear from you if you got some aha moments.
Speaker A:Hey, Mac, if they're still listening right now.
Speaker A:Yeah, they, they are receiving.
Speaker B:Good points, dude.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:You're still with us, right?
Speaker B:You haven't clicked us all.
Speaker C:I want to talk to the guys and the gals who clicked it off and thought for a minute and click back in.
Speaker C:That's the corner.
Speaker A:Interesting.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Now maybe we got some of you guys out there like that too.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So anyway, thanks for listening.
Speaker B:This has been a, a great episode.
Speaker B:You know, it's, it's all good, I think is the way we like to describe it.
Speaker A:Yes, yes, yes, it is.
Speaker C:So even technology is good.
Speaker A:Yeah, we're here.
Speaker A:We are again.
Speaker A:I feel like I'm walking a tightrope across two buildings with nothing attached to me.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So your ongoing mission, should you choose to accept it, we tell you this every week.
Speaker B:Come on, man, embrace it.
Speaker B:So number one is you gotta decide to think differently.
Speaker B:You just, you've got to go.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And then the fun part is go find you some others that are thinking the same way.
Speaker B:You know, you'll find them, you know they're out there, they might look a little bit different than you.
Speaker B:But that's the fun part.
Speaker B:All right, Find some like minded.
Speaker B:Number three.
Speaker B:We say strap on the armor.
Speaker B:But we say give.
Speaker B:Get grounded in your truth and where you're coming from and your good news of what you want to share with people.
Speaker B:And at the same time, you have that same thing, the open mindedness that you aren't going to stay close to it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And then you storm the gates in your own mind.
Speaker B:First you storm the gates of your unwillingness to do a lot of this stuff.
Speaker B:Be receptive, to be open.
Speaker B:And then you help others do the same thing to flick the switch to come to a greater realization of what community is like, of what the world is like, of what the universe is like.
Speaker B:And lastly, once you can go through all that, you're going to unleash the unthinkable.
Speaker A:And you know why you didn't.
Speaker A:It's unthinkable because you didn't even think it was possible.
Speaker A:But guess what?
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:It really is.
Speaker B:So take some of these things to heart, gang.
Speaker B:We hope that what we've talked about tonight, you know, will help you frame it, will help you join.
Speaker C:Fall in love with it again.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Kick it around.
Speaker B:Chew on it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Let me.
Speaker A:Let me say this.
Speaker A:I have read it from COVID to cover.
Speaker A:There is a way to read it chronologically, which is much more fun.
Speaker A:So if anybody wants that out there.
Speaker A:Yeah, I have the order.
Speaker A:I mean, it's in a.
Speaker A:It's in a graphic chart.
Speaker A:I'd be happy to share it with you.
Speaker A:Contact us.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:On our.
Speaker A:On our website or in any social media and ask for it.
Speaker A:We will send it to you.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's that kind of context if.
Speaker A:You want to read it in that.
Speaker B:Way, from a different way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So again, thanks, guys.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Happy to be on this table with you guys.
Speaker C:You're a great captain.
Speaker A:Captain.
Speaker A:My captain, too.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So thank you.
Speaker B:Thank you for enjoying this with us, for just interacting, for being part of what we do and how we hope we are expanding the consciousness world.
Speaker B:So again, thanks a bunch.
Speaker B:Have a great week and we'll be back with you next time for an unleashing of another.
Speaker B:Something's not worried.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:What happened?
Speaker A:We didn't record the whole time.
Speaker A:I'm saying.
Speaker A:Don't say.
Speaker C:Says only six minutes.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:It's running.
Speaker A:Don't say it.
Speaker C:I haven't touched the thing because we were saying last.
Speaker C:God.
Speaker C:Turned it off halfway through.
Speaker A:I don't figure it.
Speaker A:If it's true.
Speaker B:I don't know why it only says.
Speaker B:I mean, we.
Speaker B:I didn't touch the thing.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:Tell me there's an explanation.
Speaker A:If it rolled over and overwrote the last one we recorded.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no.
Speaker B:That would be really bad.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker B:No, that was secure.
Speaker B:I'm just wondering if the time.
Speaker A:Does it only go up to.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:I don't know a certain number.
Speaker A:And then it.
Speaker A:Then it starts over.
Speaker C:We didn't go 100 minutes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, because we were.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, I didn't touch that thing.
Speaker B:From the time when we started and it was going.
Speaker B:Well, let's hope.
Speaker C:All right, let us know if we hear a scream coming from this.
Speaker C:You know, something went wrong.
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker C:There is a better flow.
Speaker C:Both these episodes run regardless of the content.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:We got to the topic quickly.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I think that's really important.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right, I'm gonna pull this punch.
Speaker A:Well, man, it's going me.
Speaker A:Well, we have it here at the very least.
Speaker B:Yes, we do.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker A:You know, this isn't going.
Speaker B:Their screen goes off.
Speaker B:It'll still.
Speaker B:It's still be okay.
Speaker A:This says six minutes.
Speaker A:Come here.
Speaker A:Look at this.
Speaker C:That's weird.
Speaker A:Come here.
Speaker C:Six.
Speaker C:Six minutes.
Speaker A:It's going to get there in a moment.
Speaker A:Well, I can't do that.
Speaker A:Look right, right down here.
Speaker A:You tell me what you would expect to see there.
Speaker B:I look.
Speaker C:Expect to see 25.
Speaker C:Somebody's messing with us.
Speaker C:One of those kids just upstairs.
Speaker B:I don't know what.
