Prophets Today: From Ancient Echoes to Modern Voices
Let’s dive right into it! We're pondering the concept of prophecy, drawing from ancient times and Richard Rohr's meditations. The main takeaway? We’re all called to "prophesy" in our own unique ways, not just the traditional, grandiose versions we often think of. Think of it like this: while Moses and Jeremiah had their roles, our modern-day prophecies might look more like sharing truth in everyday conversations or through creative expressions, like art or music. It’s about evolving our understanding and recognizing that everyone has a voice that can convey wisdom and insight. So, whether you're a quiet observer or a voice in the community, there’s a prophetic spark in you just waiting to shine! Let’s explore how we can nurture that spark and make a positive impact in our cultural, religious, and personal realms.
Takeaways:
- Not everyone is called to be an official prophet, but we are all called to prophesy in our own unique ways.
- The journey from ego to heart is a challenging but vital part of recognizing our prophetic voice.
- Understanding the historical context of prophets helps us relate their messages to modern life.
- Being a prophet today means speaking truth with humility, as we navigate cultural and spiritual shifts.
Transcript
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Speaker A:So, again, welcome on tonight, this episode.
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Speaker A:We're going to go from maybe a little superiority to a little humility.
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Speaker A:I know that's a mouthful of stuff right there, but we'll try to make that a little clearer and flesh that out a little bit for you guys.
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Speaker C:That trip you're talking about is from the ego to the heart.
Speaker C:And that's what sometimes the longest journey on the planet, I think.
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Speaker A:All right, now, what's the first thing that came to your mind when I even said that word?
Speaker A:Gang?
Speaker A:Prophets.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I bet your brain went all kinds of different places if you're Christian or even if you're not.
Speaker A:If you're.
Speaker A:If you're Muslim.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Lots of face.
Speaker A:Have prophets that are part of the equation.
Speaker A:Certainly Jewish.
Speaker A:The Jewish Faith, and so does Christianity.
Speaker A:And so those are abstract.
Speaker A:Those are.
Speaker A:And we'll give a little history on that here.
Speaker A:Those are kind of abstract.
Speaker A:They're out there.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, we know about those people, maybe.
Speaker A:But really, this episode is about what does that mean for us?
Speaker A:What can we do to speak like prophets into the world?
Speaker A:The truth that we come to recognize.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so this is a challenge for all of us.
Speaker A:But it's a beautiful challenge, in my opinion, because the world needs more prophets.
Speaker A:And whether, even if you don't consider yourself one, we want you to maybe start to think about yourself as one.
Speaker A:Okay, so let's just go a little bit of a historical dive just to give some background, especially if you're not a Christian or if you haven't really read the Bible very much.
Speaker A:So most of the places you see these prophets, if you will, that prophesy are from the Old Testament.
Speaker A:You know, there's lots of them in there.
Speaker A:And in general, a prophet's job is this.
Speaker A:God told me to tell you, all right?
Speaker A:I mean, that's it at the foundation.
Speaker A:So they are speaking God's truth.
Speaker A:Truth of warnings, usually, and then of promises.
Speaker A:If, then, if, then, you know, hey, straighten up and fly, right?
Speaker A:And then you will be blessed.
Speaker A:All right?
Speaker A:It's usually the circular repentance, blessing, repentance, blessing thing.
Speaker C:So a little bit of what I'm hearing you say is it's like, okay, I've received a download from God, and now I'm uploading it onto the earthly experience.
Speaker C:So you get to hear this wisdom that came from a higher place.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Now, in the Old Testament, you know, you do hear the words, you know, and then God spoke to.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So, you know, that's the way they related to it.
Speaker A:That's the way that they understood the story.
Speaker A:All right?
Speaker A:We might take, as we move into the modern age, we might take a little bit of a different take on that that we're going to get to.
Speaker C:But we have to have that foundation.
Speaker C:Do we believe sitting at this table right now that God speaks to us?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes, for sure.
Speaker C:Speaks through us.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker C:Speaks as us.
Speaker C:Oh, this went a little too far, maybe, right?
Speaker A:God speaks as us?
Speaker A:Is that what you just said?
Speaker C:I did.
Speaker A:You know, I've done lots of memes that.
Speaker A:That speak to this idea of, how does God see the world?
Speaker A:Through you.
Speaker A:And through you.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And through me.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:I mean, I sing many a song that you are the hands of God, you are the eyes of God, the ears of God, you are the soul and the heart of God on Earth.
Speaker A:I mean it's this, it's this interaction thing that God loves us that to me God loves us so much that he's given us the privilege of being able to see for him.
Speaker A:You know, I mean I think that's our vision of the world and others is exactly what he wants.
Speaker A:Okay, so.
Speaker A:All right, so Old Testament, older, you like to use it the Older Testament as opposed to the Newer Testament.
Speaker A:You know there's books in the Older Testament that are, that are prophet.
Speaker A:The prophets, the minor prophets and the major prophets.
Speaker A:We've.
Speaker A:And the only reason we they call them major and minor is really more the length, the length of each one of those are more major.
Speaker A:Doesn't make one more important than the other necessarily.
Speaker A:They might get a little more traction.
Speaker A:But so you have these books in the Bible that are, you know, quote written by the prophets or in the prophets names.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Then you to pick out a few of them that you might have heard about.
Speaker A:You know you've got.
Speaker A:And the rev really kind of put this up there and I thought this was great.
Speaker A:You know, I'm going to put Moses, Jeremiah, Isaiah and Jonah in this one category.
Speaker C:I relate to these guys.
Speaker C:I relate to these guys.
Speaker C:They're the reluctant prophets.
Speaker C:Yeah, I can't do this.
Speaker C:I'm just so stuck in my limitation.
Speaker C:There's no way yet the voice kept speaking yet yes you can.
Speaker C:My whole life has been that God asked me to do something I didn't know I could do, I was afraid to do.
Speaker C:And I got the push and the nudge and the urge and finally got the courage.
Speaker C:There it is to okay, I've got a download.
Speaker C:I need to share it.
Speaker B:I'm with you.
Speaker B:That, that's me too.
Speaker B:That same thing has happened for me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I typically need like a, a 2x4 across the forehead for me to.
Speaker A:Listen but well, a lot of times.
Speaker B:Black eyes these days, I'm starting to pay attention.
Speaker C:All those prophets ask the question who am I?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Who am I to deliver a message?
Speaker B:It's not me.
Speaker C:That's the humility.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker C:That I think is important.
Speaker A:Well and sometimes, you know we talked about this in the pre show sometimes if you go into the Bible for some of these prophets and I think we have to be careful of this whether we call ourself a prophet or not.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:We get a little bit puffed up when we think oh God spoke to me.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:That might elevate me a little higher than you.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:He Gives me his special favor.
Speaker A:And now I'm down on you and I'm looking, you know, because I got to chastise you in God's name.
Speaker A:But of course, he's not chastising me.
Speaker A:All right, So a lot of times the journey goes from that because it's a pretty human, natural sort of thing.
Speaker A:And then you get into the experience and you, you, you go there with the people or with whoever it is you're speaking to.
Speaker A:And all of a sudden there's a bit of humility that has to creep into that whole thing.
Speaker A:You get knocked down a few notches, you know, and again, it's cultivating an attitude, heart.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:That I think we have to receive.
Speaker A:Humility.
Speaker C:Well, isn't it, Isn't it a back and forth?
Speaker C:You know, you get the calling.
Speaker C:I'm reluctant because I'm a little insecure about this.
Speaker C:I have a few wins and it's like, oh, I'm sure with athletes, I got a few wins.
Speaker C:I'm pretty darn good.
Speaker C:I tell you, that's the moment you're going to get knocked back down, back into your heart.
Speaker C:It's the journey back and forth because head and heart are in partnership, but they have to be in balance.
Speaker C:And so, yeah, just as soon as you get a little pumped up, you're going to be knocked down.
Speaker C:The life will show you.
Speaker B:There's a big difference with confidence and arrogance, you know, so that's kind of how I, how I see it.
Speaker B:You can be really confident and that confident and not be arrogant.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:When it comes to people espousing ideas that they've gotten from God, I like to use as my litmus test.
Speaker C:Litmus test.
Speaker C:The idea that is.
Speaker C:Is the intention behind it authority or is it responsibility?
Speaker C:Yeah, really big difference.
Speaker C:I am responsible for something as opposed to.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's a taking thing.
Speaker A:Yes, yes.
Speaker C:It's a.
Speaker C:I' responsible to be the fountain.
Speaker C:I'm responsible to offer this.
Speaker C:And I am not the authority that just sucks the life out of the room.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Or domineers.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, I think that was a great point he made in the pre show.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So we have prophets, Older Testament, couple more of them, some females.
Speaker A:There was Miriam, right.
Speaker A:Who was Moses.
Speaker A:Sister, you had Deborah, who was a judge.
Speaker A:And this was a little quote from Numbers.
Speaker A:And Moses replied to somebody that had seen some other people prophesying other than Moses.
Speaker A:And Moses just said, are you jealous for my sake?
Speaker A:I wish that all the Lord's people were prophets and that the Lord would put his spirit on them all.
Speaker A:He had this vision that wasn't exclusive.
Speaker A:It was like, oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:I only wish everybody could listen to and then speak truth from God.
Speaker A:I thought that was a really cool.
Speaker C:And I want to speak to Moses.
Speaker C:Everybody can.
Speaker C:Everybody can.
Speaker C:Your wish can come true, Mother.
Speaker A:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:You know, we just don't think in those terms, but it certainly can.
Speaker A:All right, so that's a little bit of Old Testament.
Speaker A:You know, there's lots of prophets.
Speaker A:You can read those books in the.
Speaker A:On the Older Testament.
Speaker A:Then you come to the new New Testament, the Jesus time, the Gospels, you know, the epistles.
Speaker A:And I think the first one that pops up in the New Testament is John the Baptist.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:He would definitely consider him a prophet that was basically saying, repent.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Repent for the.
Speaker A:You know, get ready, get ready.
Speaker A:He was laying the groundwork for Jesus.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yep, he sure was.
Speaker A:He was speaking for God in that time.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:Is that a prophecy in of itself?
Speaker C:Pay attention, pay attention.
Speaker C:I think so.
Speaker B:I think that's some pretty, you know, when John the Baptist comes to our attention in the Bible, like, you don't.
Speaker B:You don't get like a necessarily a backstory that where he maybe struggled with.
Speaker B:I'd imagine he might have struggled a little bit to be like, wait, I'm this person.
Speaker B:Or maybe he didn't.
Speaker B:You know, I'm the one that's delivering this message, like, for the Messiah.
Speaker B:Like, I'm the one.
Speaker B:Like, I can only imagine what that must have felt like.
Speaker B:But we don't really know for sure.
Speaker B:I just know I feel that way sometimes.
Speaker B:If I get like a message, at least, like you were saying earlier, rev, it's like, man and me, like, I'm the one.
Speaker B:And it's like, yes.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Well, that's a very human thing.
Speaker A:And I think God has enough bandwidth that he goes on the roller coaster ride with us.
Speaker A:But, you know.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:And here.
Speaker B:But here's the point I wanted to make.
Speaker B:And even saying that, like, John was very confident.
Speaker B:John the Baptist, yes.
Speaker B:With his message.
Speaker B:There was like, no doubt.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:I mean, it was never.
Speaker B:Well, maybe like when people would ask him, it wasn't a.
Speaker B:Well, maybe it was like, this is the Lamb of God.
Speaker B:Like, he was like, yeah, but the.
Speaker A:Funny thing there was when he was in prison, he actually sent his guys to Jesus to make sure that he was the one, you know, So, I mean, he.
Speaker A:Even still in the midst of it all, think about Moses.
Speaker A:Think about any of these people that had that were mystics that were, that literally had a direct encounter, which we all can as well.
Speaker A:And yet we're still human and yet we still get that doubt.
Speaker A:We still have the fear.
Speaker C:That's the journey.
Speaker C:I'll go in my head, okay, I got down to where God resides in the heart and the soul and the spirit.
Speaker C:And then I get, oh, I'm going to doubt myself.
Speaker C:I'm not it, I'm not.
Speaker C:He's coming, he's coming.
Speaker C:Then I go back down to my heart.
Speaker C:No, I'm having a relationship with the divine essence of all creation.
Speaker C:And then I forget and I'm back up there.
Speaker C:Maybe each time we go back to the heart, it's going to a deeper place.
Speaker A:Oh, let's hope so.
Speaker C:That is a practice of maybe finding my own ability as a prophet.
Speaker C:You know, most of us are hanging out here.
Speaker C:The more we spend time in the heart, the deeper it goes, the more we realize that I have something to share that of value.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's a litmus.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:So anyway, John the Baptist, you kind of encounter him kind of early on in the Bible and even maybe a little earlier was Anna, who basically, if you remember the story of Anna, that after Jesus was born and they were taking him to the temple, the eight day kind of thing, you know, she saw, she was there, she's ministered there and she saw Mary and Joseph and Jesus and basically prophesied that he, you know, he would, you know, be great and he would save his people.
Speaker A:And I mean it was a real, really cool.
Speaker A:But she was speaking to the future and at the same time speaking truth, you know, so that's another example, of course, you got to put Jesus in there, Right.
Speaker A:I mean, without a doubt, the prophetic, you know, nature of his whole ministry.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So I mean here he was, you know, as a channel, as we've been talking about, without a doubt, the download and then, then the out.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And then you have Paul, you know, he was certainly called an apostle, but I think he also without a doubt was a prophet because he spoke and he encountered Jesus, you know, and he spoke truth to the people.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:So is it possible because you're mentioning that some feminine, you know, that they got written out of the books, they got taken out, let's take the women out.
Speaker C:Is it possible that these are just the ones that the male patriarchy said?
Speaker C:Well, these are the prophets, those are the ones we're going to read.
Speaker C:I believe there were female prophets happening during Jesus time.
Speaker A:Oh, I think so.
Speaker B:We already mentioned one Anna you mentioned one, and you mentioned two from the Old Testament.
Speaker C:Mary Magdalene had a whole book of prophecy that got set aside, and I think it's full of really divine wisdom.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I think Mary, Jesus's mother, you know, might very well have been a prophetess.
Speaker A:You know, I mean, she's just steeped in the whole deal, right?
Speaker A:Encountered God, everything.
Speaker A:All right?
Speaker A:So, yeah, I mean, there's tons of examples that even written or not written, you can just.
Speaker A:You can read between the lines.
Speaker A:But it was.
Speaker A:The culture was full of the kinds of people we're talking about.
Speaker A:Okay, let's just.
Speaker A:Just land the plane.
Speaker A:There is, in a general way right now.
Speaker A:Here is a funny thing, though, and I don't know if some of you are tuned into this theology.
Speaker A:If you are, let's just kind of flesh it out a little bit.
Speaker A:In Ephesians, Paul says, now there are the gifts Christ gave to the church, the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:So right there, there's prophets.
Speaker A:All right?
Speaker A:Paul proclaims it.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But be careful.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:Just be careful with this.
Speaker A:I've heard the theology that says, well, now that we have a codified Bible, which he, Paul, didn't have when he wrote this, now that we have a codified Bible, the church doesn't need apostles and prophets anymore.
Speaker A:They don't exist because we have the prophetic word in the Bible.
Speaker C:Warning, warning, warning, Will Robinson.
Speaker C:Danger, danger.
Speaker A:So if you've heard that or if you heard that teaching, all we're going to ask you to do is just step back from that a little bit and ponder how much we might be limiting the.
Speaker A:Is when we go there.
Speaker A:That's all.
Speaker C:Well, you know, we've asked that question in previous podcasts is, when did we decide that God quit speaking to humanity?
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker C:When did that moment come?
Speaker C:And I don't think it's ever come.
Speaker C:It will never have an end because God is still speaking into the hearts of human beings walking the planet today, always.
Speaker A:I think that's.
Speaker A:I would agree with you.
Speaker A:What do you think, Stu?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah, Yeah, I believe that.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So, you know, obviously another one of the, you know, big prophets.
Speaker A:If we call in the world Muhammad, you know, you would definitely, you know, put him in there as well, you know, because many religions had and have prophets.
Speaker A:I mean, you can't take Christianity.
Speaker A:I mean, we're giving some examples from the Bible here.
Speaker A:All right?
Speaker A:But you certainly can't imply or even say that it's exclusive to Christianity, that those Kinds of people are.
Speaker A:Those kinds of movements of God are strictly, you know, just part of Christianity.
Speaker C:I mean, the Baha'I.
Speaker C:The Baha'I movement has at least three that are prophets, that the truth came directly through them.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:Well, you know, so you got to keep.
Speaker A:Got to keep a little open mind about that.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Because again, I think the minute you clamp down on that and keep it exclusive, I think we miss a bit of the nature of God.
Speaker A:That's all I miss.
Speaker A:Going to suggest.
Speaker A:All right, so with that, there's your history.
Speaker A:We're done.
Speaker A:Done with the history.
Speaker A:We're going to take a little break and then we're going to come back and we're going to kind of talk about maybe some of the ways that we might see prophets unfold himself or manifest themselves today.
Speaker A:And then we'll share at the very end, we'll share some ideas maybe that we can help you to bring out that prophetic nature that we all have.
Speaker A:So hang on.
Speaker C:I'm going to call out for the next section.
Speaker C:The Profit Coach Stu and the Profit Mac.
Speaker A:All right, we appreciate that.
Speaker A:I think we can certainly lump you in there, too.
Speaker A:I would not want to leave you out of that.
Speaker A:So let us take a break and we'll be right back.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker B:How do you think this is going to come out between the three of us?
Speaker B:Is it equalize itself out?
Speaker B:Because you.
Speaker B:I don't know if it's just my headphones, but you are super loud in my head.
Speaker B:Oh, and.
Speaker B:But you don't have to turn your volume down or anything, but like, just when we all talk, like, I barely hear me, but you're super loud and you're like, normal, so I don't.
Speaker B:You know, I'm not saying no one about me ever.
Speaker A:Well, again, the good thing, maybe I'll.
Speaker A:Maybe I'll turn myself down at this point.
Speaker A:I can always do that.
Speaker A:But again, the good thing is we got separate tracks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's when I was.
Speaker B:Yeah, we can help level it.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:But no, I don't want to be right.
Speaker B:It might just be my headphones.
Speaker C:But no, how do you make sense?
Speaker C:Because you're getting the same.
Speaker A:Do I sound to you louder than you and Stu?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, well, hang on a little bit.
Speaker B:Yeah, you do.
Speaker B:Especially do now.
Speaker A:Well, I'm turning it.
Speaker A:I'm turning it down now.
Speaker B:Yeah, now.
Speaker B:Now I could tell you turned.
Speaker A:Is that okay now?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Does this sound better?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker C:I might go back up a little tiny bit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:How about that?
Speaker C:That's good.
Speaker A:Okay, all right, here we go again.
Speaker C:It's all right.
Speaker A:He's all right.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Welcome back to the wise guys where we are talking about prophets.
Speaker A:You know, now there is prophecy that comes from the prophets, but we're really talking about, you know, bringing out that innate nature that we all have, that we believe, you know, the ability for sure to, to be a prophet, to speak God's truth.
Speaker A:All right, simple way to put it, but I think you're getting the point.
Speaker A:All right, so let's move ourselves from the history now.
Speaker A:Let's talk maybe about how a modern day prophet might, you know, describe things or might speak the truth of God into the culture today.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And you know, what would be God might say, here's what I want you to go do, you know, here's however you want to, to phrase that, whether it's the innate thing, your intuition.
Speaker A:I don't think you're getting an email from God.
Speaker A:But who am I?
Speaker A:But I think at the start of it, it's an awareness thing that prophets bring, a new awareness of new realities that basically challenge.
Speaker A:They don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, but they challenge the ones of the old order.
Speaker A:They just said, hey, like Jesus came, hey, there's a new sheriff in town here, gang.
Speaker C:Okay, is it challenge or to build upon with a new, a new twist, a new turn, a new dimension?
Speaker B:It might be challenging to, to hear it.
Speaker B:That's the challenge part.
Speaker C:But is the intent, is the intent of the prophet to challenge or to add to or to expand?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:It's interesting if I think about that, I would, I think I would probably answer both.
Speaker A:And because these new realities will challenge the old now again, it doesn't mean they're trying to usurp them necessarily.
Speaker A:Unless there's just a new greater truth that needs to be understood.
Speaker A:And you, you appreciate the old, but you say, and there can be certainly pushback.
Speaker A:Oh, wait a minute here.
Speaker A:That's against the old way of doing things the way we've always done it.
Speaker A:That's okay.
Speaker C:So as a pre existing condition to being a prophet, an understanding, I don't know at all, I don't have a corner on the market of truth.
Speaker C:I'm open and receptive.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:That is a precursor to getting the download.
Speaker C:Because if you feel like you've got a corner on the market of truth, there's no room, there's no room in your mind, your consciousness or your heart for anything else.
Speaker A:Very true.
Speaker C:So is that a Requirement of being a prophet.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:I think that's a great point because we were talking about that earlier where you get so puffed up that you think you got it licked and you're.
Speaker A:Now you're looking down on everybody else who doesn't.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So an awareness.
Speaker A:Just raise the awareness level to some new stuff, new ways.
Speaker A:Jesus came to the very same thing.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And it's new ways of thinking, you know?
Speaker A:And again, Rev talks a lot about this.
Speaker A:You move the head to the heart and you move the heart to the head, but.
Speaker A:But they're intertwined.
Speaker A:You gotta start thinking a little differently about some of your old realities that are.
Speaker A:That are maybe no longer serving you.
Speaker A:And that's not easy to do.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because what do we have?
Speaker A:We got.
Speaker A:We talk about this all the time.
Speaker A:We got biases.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:We're always trying to fight against our biases.
Speaker B:You may not even realize that there's something different out there.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like a new way of thinking that most of the time, that's how it is for me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, I didn't realize it was there until it was brought to my attention.
Speaker B:Well, there, you know, perfect.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:There's almost.
Speaker B:I don't want to call it a responsibility because I don't think that's what it is.
Speaker B:But I.
Speaker B:I think somebody that is a prophet is helping other people.
Speaker B:Like that's part of their role.
Speaker B:Like, I'm going to help others to have a new understanding is what it seems like to me.
Speaker A:No, I think you're right on there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Is it possible that the goodness that you found or has been downloaded or you're feeling is so expansive that you can't keep it to yourself?
Speaker C:I have to share this.
Speaker C:Good.
Speaker C:Because I'm going to explode if I don't.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That, to me, that's a personality thing.
Speaker B:You might be that way, you know, And I think people that.
Speaker B:That aren't, they might do it a different way.
Speaker B:Could be by actions, you know, could be maybe creatively, maybe through artwork or writing or music or just some other way.
Speaker C:No limit to how good can be expressed.
Speaker A:And I think the Bible calls it the good news.
Speaker C:You know what's so funny, though?
Speaker C:I was thinking, Coach, as you were saying, seeking it.
Speaker C:You don't know that it's there.
Speaker C:Could it be that the true prophet is not seeking anything but the truth, is seeking them as the open vehicle?
Speaker C:So you have the containers of the truth, the good news, the gospel, whatever you want to call it, has sought that person out?
Speaker C:Because I know That's a safe place where it will be shared.
Speaker B:So all of us.
Speaker B:All of us can receive information.
Speaker B:Like, if I could talk to everybody out there listening to us right now, you all can receive information.
Speaker B:God will.
Speaker B:Can interact with every.
Speaker B:And does.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:With every.
Speaker B:Every one of you.
Speaker B:And here's.
Speaker B:Here's the great news for me.
Speaker B:Like, there's good news.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Here's the great news.
Speaker B:You don't even have to believe it.
Speaker B:Like, it's gonna.
Speaker B:It's gonna happen.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, so it's about, like, how do you live your life in a way that leaves you open to hear these things?
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:I mean, this would.
Speaker B:If you want to get this practical in life, this is just a good way to live life.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Because we're getting messages from people in our life, our partners, our spouses, our children.
Speaker B:And if you're learning how to keep open to receive that in.
Speaker B:You're hearing things that you may not hear if you're not doing that, right?
Speaker A:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker C:Well, you know, you've talked about your daughter.
Speaker C:You've talked about how wise she is, so I'm going to call her the Prophet Sage because she has said things that was good news, that caused you to think.
Speaker C:Caused you to grow, to cause you to think differently.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that's a prophecy.
Speaker A:Well, again, this is the whole thing, you know, I think one of the major messages of a prophet is, listen up.
Speaker A:Hey, hey, hey, hey, you.
Speaker A:Hey, hey.
Speaker A:Listen up.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:And again, it doesn't come from an arrogant place.
Speaker A:It just comes from a place of.
Speaker A:There's something to proclaim here.
Speaker A:And I'm asking you to just listen up so that maybe I can help impart some things that I've learned.
Speaker A:And I'm more than willing to let you impart some stuff from your end as well.
Speaker A:But it takes the antennas.
Speaker A:We talk about this all the time, that you got to get them up so that you're receiving the airwaves, you're receiving the radio signal, you're receiving whatever it might be.
Speaker A:But you got to get ready.
Speaker B:So here's.
Speaker B:Here's a question for you, too, for Mac and Rev.
Speaker B:So do you think when you receive.
Speaker B:Let's say you receive some information, okay.
Speaker B:Do you think that everyone that receives it, like these prophets, that they immediately understood it before they shared it?
Speaker A:No, I don't think.
Speaker A:I think it's a journey on their part.
Speaker B:Maybe some.
Speaker B:Some might have.
Speaker B:But let's say you didn't.
Speaker B:Does that mean that you don't share it until you Understand it?
Speaker B:That's the question.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I'm going to say so does the.
Speaker C:Truth have to steep inside of me for a little bit before I share it?
Speaker C:Because I might destroy the truth by not being able to convey it.
Speaker B:Well, that's another way to see it.
Speaker A:Well, we've told you.
Speaker B:What if in you sharing it, whatever it is, in whatever way you share leads to your deeper understanding as well?
Speaker C:Well, it's like, I think it has to.
Speaker A:You need best to teach what you learn when you teach.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I can.
Speaker B:I can.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So as a coach, like today, I'm a much better wrestler than I was when I wrestled because I coach.
Speaker A:Right, Right.
Speaker B:So I've learned more about my sport and what to do.
Speaker B:That's what I'm kind of talking about.
Speaker A:Oh, I agree.
Speaker B:Like, by sharing that part of me, me, I'm better at it now.
Speaker B:So if you're doing the same thing, you get this information in and you start having conversations with.
Speaker B:And that's all it is.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Like, let's not make this so, you know, so large that it seems like you can't do it, you know?
Speaker A:Well, you mean the word conversations says.
Speaker B:Conversations, you know, you're going to get.
Speaker A:As a rev was saying, you're going to get that personal, that individual download.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:You're going to have to have discernment.
Speaker A:You're going to have to, you know, mull it around.
Speaker A:You have to pray about it, like you were talking about, get deeper.
Speaker A:And at the same time, it sure helps if you.
Speaker A:This whole process takes place in community, you know, where if you really believe that the people around this table, that I would say that they are prophets, okay.
Speaker A:Or, you know, then all of a sudden you're receptive more to what you may be able to learn from them, you know, and humility certainly is part of that equation as well.
Speaker C:Is there such a thing as collective prophecy that the truth that I've gotten and the truth that you've gotten gotten has to be put on the table, be mixed around, work with it, and we all become better coaches, better teachers, better musicians, better ministers, whatever it might be, because we've shared the experience and so there's a greater prophecy that comes for humanity as a result of the sharing.
Speaker B:Wow, Rev, I was just gonna say that exact same thing.
Speaker C:We are one.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I think we're gonna drop the mic right there.
Speaker C:Oh, you know, it's that journey.
Speaker C:You get it.
Speaker C:You get the download at the heart.
Speaker C:It has to come, come through the Filter of the head to have language to it.
Speaker C:And as I use language, I learn more.
Speaker C:And then the head communicates back to the heart and it goes deeper.
Speaker C:It's a wolf and reality.
Speaker A:Whoa.
Speaker A:All right, there it is, gang.
Speaker A:Did you get a little.
Speaker A:Your money's worth on that one.
Speaker A:All right, there it is.
Speaker C:So if you've got a head and you've got a heart, then you have the possibility of being a prophet.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:So, so how do we commune?
Speaker A:How do these things sometimes get communicated?
Speaker A:A lot of times prophets will use images and words to help us see the bigger picture.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because again, it's about that whole broadening of your expectation.
Speaker A:It's a broadening of your understanding.
Speaker A:It's a broadening of your, you know, connection and vibration, not only with each other, but with the divine, you know, and it's a process, you know, and again, you gotta.
Speaker A:You communicate with people and whatever level that they, you know, can receive it, but they're animated, I guess, is what I'm trying to get from that, that if you are going to be prophetic, you're going to have to be animated.
Speaker A:You know, somehow or other, you're going to have to connect with other people and.
Speaker A:And help them see that bigger picture.
Speaker B:In the way that you do it.
Speaker B:Because we are all beautiful, exotic cocktails.
Speaker B:So no two prophets are going to be the same.
Speaker B:They're going to do things the way they do them.
Speaker A:This is true.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker B:I encourage you to embrace that part of you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, because only you can be you.
Speaker B:I was about to do a Dr.
Speaker B:Seuss quote because I know there's one in there somewhere.
Speaker A:Somewhere in there, you are you.
Speaker B:It's truer than true.
Speaker B:The only.
Speaker B:I forget how the whole thing goes, but there's a whole Dr.
Speaker B:Seuss thing.
Speaker B:But anyway, that's the point.
Speaker C:Is there a greater you, though, that needs to emerge?
Speaker C:If I just do me the way I've always done me, I'm not growing and expanding.
Speaker C:Is the download of the prophecy causing me to grow into a fuller version of myself?
Speaker C:Yes, and I think it must.
Speaker C:So there's a me I don't even know yet.
Speaker C:So I'm gonna try on the new skin and I'm gonna have to expand a little bit.
Speaker C:So I don't know what the new me is yet.
Speaker C:So I will learn about myself by sharing it on the table.
Speaker C:You know, as you were talking, I was just picturing there are a lot of prophets in the world that stand on the top of the mountain, yelling down at Everybody in the valley.
Speaker C:You should do this.
Speaker C:God said this.
Speaker C:I don't really listen to those people.
Speaker C:I listen to the prophets that come down off their mountain, off their high horse and get into the valley with the people.
Speaker A:Give me a hug.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker C:Hug me.
Speaker C:Show me.
Speaker C:Demonstrate for me.
Speaker C:Don't yell at me from a high lofty place.
Speaker B:Did this happen with some of the prophets?
Speaker B:Did they do that?
Speaker C:I'm talking about modern day prophets.
Speaker B:Oh, modern day.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, I think you can read the stories of the prophets in the Old Testament.
Speaker A:You can certainly see them doing it wrong and getting a little chastised for it.
Speaker A:You can see him doing it right and still getting chastised for it because it's a melting pot.
Speaker A:You know, one thing we really haven't said directly yet in this episode is that as you answer this calling, I'm gonna call.
Speaker A:I'm gonna call it.
Speaker A:All right?
Speaker A:There's gonna be some pain involved.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I mean, there's gonna be some personal.
Speaker A:I think the reps already talked about it.
Speaker A:Stu's already talked about it.
Speaker A:That you're gonna struggle.
Speaker A:You know, you're gonna maybe take a look at yourself.
Speaker A:A what you see, all right?
Speaker A:You may understand that you thought you were in a certain place, maybe in relationship to other people or to the divine.
Speaker A:And maybe you got knocked down a couple notches just because, again, you got a little arrogant.
Speaker A:You learned what you didn't know.
Speaker A:Some things that you thought you knew, but you didn't, and you just got to be prepared for that.
Speaker A:And that's beautiful.
Speaker A:Part of the journey as well, you know, is the suffering part.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:Reverend, you say this all the time, that you learn more as you suffer.
Speaker A:You know, a lot of times I.
Speaker C:Said it all the time.
Speaker C:But I know that the birth process is not always pretty and easy, but the beauty on the other side of it.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So we have.
Speaker A:We do have some modern day, you know, prophets that we can just briefly.
Speaker A:And I'm.
Speaker A:There's a lot more.
Speaker A:There really are.
Speaker A:There's a lot more than this, but just some of the common ones that you can recognize.
Speaker A:Martin Luther King, okay.
Speaker A:Gandhi, Richard Rohr, he's one of our favorite guys.
Speaker A:But I absolutely think that guy's a prophet.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:The Dalai Lama.
Speaker A:How about that?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And here's an interesting one.
Speaker C:I'm going to throw the Pope in.
Speaker C:For all the Catholics and ex Catholics out there, I believe the Pope is a prophet.
Speaker C:Our current Pope is saying things that are prophetic.
Speaker A:He's amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So yes.
Speaker A:And speaking of the Pope, now you have a church official, if you will.
Speaker A:I believe that they're out there.
Speaker A:I think it could be your pastor.
Speaker A:It could be an elder.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It could be a mystic within your church or somebody that you know.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It may.
Speaker A:It's absolutely my belief that they're there already.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:Now, whether you look at them that way or not, I guarantee you there's people in that church that you attend, or even if it's not a church that you would sit at the feet of, you know, that you would say heads up here if they were to say, listen.
Speaker A:You know, I mean, they're all over the place.
Speaker A:If you would just like to say, get your antennas up, just start to realize, notice them.
Speaker C:You know what?
Speaker C:As you're talking about all these great people and the people in my life that I really respect and admire.
Speaker C:Yeah, I want to go sit at their feet.
Speaker C:But one of the qualities I admire is in their humility.
Speaker C:They're willing to sit at my feet and they're willing to listen to.
Speaker C:They're willing to put their ears on, and their antennas are always out for the new truth, for the new way, to be more loving, to be more kind.
Speaker C:I really admire that.
Speaker C:And to me, that's the true prophet, because it's coming through the funnel of love.
Speaker A:Well, it's mystical, too.
Speaker A:It's a mystic.
Speaker A:You almost have to put them both together, if you will, you know?
Speaker A:So I agree totally, man.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:I mean, it's not defined definitively.
Speaker A:We don't etch anything in stone here, all right?
Speaker A:It's a constantly moving, beautiful kaleidoscope, all right?
Speaker A:And the minute we try to nail it down and put it in a box, it's finite.
Speaker A:I'm not saying it's bad, but I'm just saying it's finite.
Speaker A:I don't want to operate on a finite basis with the creator of the universe.
Speaker C:For four easy steps to being a prophet, A, B, C, D, do these and you will be a prophet.
Speaker A:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:So there's some, you know, there's some examples.
Speaker A:There's some ways that in the current time that we can begin to see profiting.
Speaker A:And I don't mean P, R, O, F, I, T don't make money that we're going to be profits and what does it look like and how might it flesh itself out, you know, in your life or in my life?
Speaker A:And then the last thing we want to talk about in this episode is, okay, you want to be nodding in this direction.
Speaker A:You want to Be going.
Speaker A:You know what?
Speaker A:I think you got something there, wise guys.
Speaker A:You know, I think it's.
Speaker A:Yeah, Hello.
Speaker A:Now what do I do?
Speaker A:You know, what does that mean for me?
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:And as the rev would just say, we talked about this in the pre show.
Speaker A:You can't go to a seminar, and your objective can't be to be a prophet.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:You know, the minute you go down that path, you're already on the wrong path.
Speaker C:That's kind of a.
Speaker C:It rubs me the wrong way.
Speaker C:There are classes here in Atlanta, where we're at, and it's like, oh, come for a workshop for the weekend and become a shaman.
Speaker C:You know, shaman is a lifetime course of becoming an exploration and silence and stillness in the mystical world of their relationship with God.
Speaker C:Yeah, I don't know how you can do that in a workshop.
Speaker A:It's not possible.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:You can start the process, maybe.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:But like you say, you know, you're on there.
Speaker A:So, you know, what are some things that we can look to, attitudes to adopt, attitudes of the heart.
Speaker A:Some things, some processes, some actions maybe that can help us cultivate a better.
Speaker A:A better resonance, a better ability to be able to again, resonate with those downloads that we keep talking about.
Speaker C:All right, Coach, what do you got something stewing in your head?
Speaker A:I see them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:The wheels are turning.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I know that I.
Speaker B:I've been fortunate enough to have a pretty good intuition, and I don't always listen to it, just being honest, but I.
Speaker B:But it's.
Speaker B:It's been true.
Speaker B:What I've received has been true all the time.
Speaker B:And so it's.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I would just encourage people to.
Speaker B:To listen and.
Speaker B:Because you're receiving information and to get to a point where you can trust what you're hearing based on how you're living your life and.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:You know, so that.
Speaker B:I mean, everybody, I believe, has some form of this, and.
Speaker B:And it can manifest in a lot of ways.
Speaker B:Sometimes I.
Speaker B:I hear things in my head, so to speak.
Speaker B:Not like in a crazy way, but like there's.
Speaker B:There's.
Speaker B:It's kind of like a thought.
Speaker B:And when I say that, I mean, like a thought manifests in my mind, like, where'd that come from?
Speaker B:You know, or it might be a feeling, like something.
Speaker B:Like, to me, things sometimes feel right or don't feel right.
Speaker B:And it.
Speaker B:That even could be, like, the words I'm going to use, like, sometimes they might not feel right to say it.
Speaker B:So I think about it like, okay, now this feels right.
Speaker B:So however it works for you, you know, I kind of like this journey.
Speaker C:I'm picturing the bouncing.
Speaker C:It's a thought.
Speaker C:Thought.
Speaker C:It's a feeling.
Speaker C:It's a thought, it's a feeling.
Speaker C:And eventually this journey goes down to my gut.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And it's a gut knowing that that shuts up the thought, shuts up the feeling, and just goes to.
Speaker C:This is truth.
Speaker A:And that's a process, you know, I.
Speaker C:Mean, you have to cultivate your intuition.
Speaker C:You had to spend time in your gut.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:There's work to be done.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:This is, I guess, what we're getting at.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:And trust.
Speaker A:We, you know, we've already talked about that.
Speaker A:You got to trust yourself.
Speaker A:That's what Stu was saying, saying, you know, rev, too.
Speaker A:You've got to be able to trust.
Speaker A:But that can't be a blind trust either, because we can always get it wrong, you know, if we're.
Speaker A:If we're in the way of.
Speaker A:Of the.
Speaker A:The flow that the Rev was just talking about.
Speaker B:Well, to me, to me, that's.
Speaker B:That's a learning.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:It's kind of like if you.
Speaker B:I don't know if this is a good example or not, but let's say you're translating like a language.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:You got it wrong that time.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Now I know I got to translate it differently.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So maybe what I'm hearing, I didn't translate it properly to what it.
Speaker B:What the message was.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:If that makes any sense.
Speaker C:I need to be teachable.
Speaker C:I need to be malleable.
Speaker C:I need to be.
Speaker C:Have a.
Speaker C:Make peace with getting it wrong as a means of cultivating my prophet like spirit.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:But the more you do this, the better you get at it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:The more you practice it and.
Speaker B:And don't push it off.
Speaker B:Don't stiff arm it.
Speaker B:Keep it, you know, keep.
Speaker B:Keep looking for it, is what I would say.
Speaker C:I, you know, I've said this before in previous podcasts, you know, how do you know the voice of God?
Speaker C:Is it the voice of the One, or is it your voice of your ego?
Speaker C:You practice.
Speaker C:I could put on a Frank Sinatra recording right now, and you'd know it was Frank Sinatra immediately.
Speaker C:Why is that?
Speaker C:Because you've listened to it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:You've spent time with it.
Speaker C:So you're cultivated a relationship with that quality of voice.
Speaker C:It takes time and effort to cultivate a relationship with the voice of God.
Speaker A:Well, it also builds is credibility, okay, that you become a credible source, because I don't know how many of you out there had somebody just come up to you and go, God told me to tell you.
Speaker A:Well, I can't definitively say that might not be true, but again, you have to consider the source.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And keep in mind one thing.
Speaker A:Now, we don't do this today, but remember, if you spoke up in the Jewish cult in the Older Testament and you prophesied something, right?
Speaker A:And it didn't come true, they basically, they stoned you.
Speaker A:I mean, it was, you know, there was no, you know, there was an, oh, well, we'll give you another shot here.
Speaker A:Okay, Sorry that didn't work out.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:There were some consequences.
Speaker A:So again, you have to also have the discernment to know whether you're listening to someone who truly has the truth or if you know there, there is a, a false prophet out there.
Speaker A:I'll call it that.
Speaker C:They would call it, I think the.
Speaker B:Trust goes back to yourself in those cases.
Speaker A:True.
Speaker B:Exactly is where it goes.
Speaker A:I agree.
Speaker C:So, you know, of course there was the example, and I don't want to go on a bunny trail here, but also those a little farther forward in time that prophesied something and it did come true and they were labeled a witch and they were burned.
Speaker C:The reality is, you know, you got to quote courage.
Speaker C:I'm going to put something out there.
Speaker A:That people aren't going to like to hear.
Speaker C:And I might be, you know, metaphorically burned at the stake or stoned.
Speaker A:True.
Speaker C:So I know that God doing business at the center of my heart is more powerful than this push back this stoning, this fire, this attack.
Speaker A:Well, there it is, gang.
Speaker A:So we hope you know that you have gotten something from this.
Speaker A:But we always have a challenge to you, right?
Speaker A:Always a challenge.
Speaker A:So your ongoing mission, should you choose to accept it, is decide to think differently.
Speaker A:We talk about that all the time.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:Get out of the comfort zone and strap in.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Because the minute you start that you're on a wild journey and then go find you some like minded, go find you some wild, crazy, strapped in people just like you, you way more fun, okay?
Speaker A:Way more fun.
Speaker A:And once you do that, then you got to sort of strap on your armor and we use that in metaphor to sort of talk about grounding.
Speaker A:We've talked about that tonight over and over and over about that grounding of the truth in you that you can stand firm, okay?
Speaker A:Once you kind of cultivate those things, we use that word tonight too.
Speaker A:You got to storm the gates, you got to be willing to go out there and you got to be willing to, you know, I'm going to say you know, confront.
Speaker A:But it's not.
Speaker A:It's not like you're going to do battle with somebody else.
Speaker A:It's just that you want to stand sometimes in opposition to things that aren't true.
Speaker A:And you got to be willing to love, kind of go there, you know?
Speaker A:And lastly, once you've done all those things, you've kind of had that journey, man, you are going to, what?
Speaker B:Unleash the unthinkable.
Speaker A:Unleash the unthinkable.
Speaker A:And that's a really cool place to be, too, because, man, you know, you want a life that is going to live on purpose.
Speaker A:There we are.
Speaker A:So we appreciate it.
Speaker A:Those are the.
Speaker A:That's our challenge to you and tonight.
Speaker A:Good stuff, guys.
Speaker A:What's going on over there, Rev?
Speaker C:I'm just enjoying the moment.
Speaker A:Oh, all right, you're buying then.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Hey, sue, good stuff tonight.
Speaker B:Yeah, good stuff.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker A:Some.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm telling you, I love.
Speaker C:Spending time with you guys.
Speaker A:There was just some great truth tonight.
Speaker A:I appreciate your prophetic hearts.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Hopefully you.
Speaker A:You're cultivating one out there, too.
Speaker A:We encourage you in that.
Speaker A:So thanks again for listening.
Speaker A:And hang around, contact us, you know, be in touch with us, tell us what you think about this and some prophecy.
Speaker C:Want to know what truth is emerging through you.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker A:And so catch us next week where we're going to have another unthinkable conversation.
Speaker A:Take care.
